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Post by oxo on Mar 5, 2013 17:48:25 GMT
Id ask him to pick up a Joyetech evic purely on the basis you cant get them in the UK unless you go to Joyetech or TW. I no nothing about VV devices but at £100 or $130 off their sites there is a good chance he could pick you one up for far less giving you the scope to sell it off if you wasnt happy with it.
He can find all the suppliers on alibaba I wouldnt envy the task of writing down a Chinese postal address
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Post by oxo on Mar 5, 2013 0:02:56 GMT
Nothing wrong with the Ego Twist either,just works out more expensive when it comes to replacing batteries.I like the Vamo as it takes a wide variety of inexpensive batteries.I can see the appeal of the Twist for out and about and will be ordering a couple from china before long. Punisher..Most normal people set a VW mod to a setting they are happy with,lets say 7W for example.Once set to where you are happy with the vape,it doesn't matter if you are using a 1.5ohm atty or a 3ohm atty,the mod will just adjust itself to give you the same power.Only time i really mess with mine is if i'm having a few beers,lol.I just jump from 7W all the way up to 12W for a more intense vape.I'm having a nice cold Budweiser now and vaping a 30mg tobacco mix at 12.5W and it is hitting nice and hard. Joyetech have some deal going with totaly wicked as there UK supplier. I was looking round alibaba the other day and all joyetec items had a list of countries they will not deliver to UK was one of them.
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 23:21:35 GMT
My vaping has always been up and down but i have always been a chain vaper.Some days i will vape 6-12ml of 30-36mg juice in a carto tank where as other days i will vape 3ml of 24mg.It just depends what mood i'm in and how much time i have to vape,lol.If very busy i can go half a day without vaping at all and it doesnt bother me.I mainly use a Vamo these days at 7-12W and just keep adjusting it up or down as i need to.IMO everyone who vapes should have atleast a couple of VW mods to give you the option of adjusting the power up or down as required. Ive just seen a Vamo for £35. Not as expensive as I thought, Ive seen VV £100 pluss which is way out of my league. The lava tube at £56 but out of stock on a couple of sites Ive skimmed doesnt look so bad either. Ill start paying more attention to these things, and drop the notion of stepping up to a couple of ego twists.
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 22:38:09 GMT
Im doing 4 / 5 ml per day at 1.1%, Ive 15ml of juice at 1.1% left, then Im stepping down to 0.8%. The thing is I dont have a set up that will let me chain vape over 5ml. What set up are you using that lets you vape up to 10ml ? oxo firstly I mix my own I have 3 bats on the go 2 ego c and a lavatube tube set up for dripping with a phoenix atty and also have two vision v3 clearos set up they hold 1.6ml each they all have difrent flavors I refill them 3 or 4 times a day depending wich one I vape the most and drip loads when board maybe mlre maybe less but 10ml is a rough gues Ive 3 batterys 1 charger and struggling for power. Also mixing own juice. Ive 5 of those rebuildable clearomisers with 2.8ohm coils. They do a good vape but the sweet zone drops off noticeably after half to three quarters of an hour. Im planing on getting lower resistance coils, see if that helps. Im also looking at getting some kind of VV device, Are you happy with the set up you have or have you got a chain vapours wish list planed for the future ? I dont want to keep buying little add ons thats going to get unused in time to come, its better listening to folks experience so I can spend a little wiser.
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 21:56:21 GMT
when I read about you all vaping 18 and 24 mg it suprises me you must only be vaping around 1 or 2 ml a day, as I vape around 10 ml of liquid a day working on that level of vaping I adjusted my nic lv acordingly and vape 4 mlg so at 4 mlg per mil im vaping 40mlg of nic a day around the same at 40 cigs not aconting for the absobrtion rate although I started on 24mg I soon droped when I started chain vaping Im doing 4 / 5 ml per day at 1.1%, Ive 15ml of juice at 1.1% left, then Im stepping down to 0.8%. The thing is I dont have a set up that will let me chain vape over 5ml. What set up are you using that lets you vape up to 10ml ? oxo
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 21:31:54 GMT
Come on peeps be clear about what you say. "I started on 24mg" I think what you mean the nicotine level of your juice was 24mg/ml not 24mg. The EU is talking of a limit of 2mg of nicotine in a singe cigalike (I think) and a limit of 4mg/ml for ejuice. Vaping 3ml a day of 18mg/ml eliquid works out at 52mg of nicotine per day - although not all the nicotine will be absorbed into the blood stream. 24mg/ml = 2.4%. guidetovaping.com/2012/06/clearstream-air-study-ecigs-and-2nd-hand-vapor/
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 18:18:33 GMT
Hi Andy Next time your at the GP ask about stelvia, you can use it as a sweetner if you mix your own juice, so its not beyond reason your doc might be able to advise if the quantities needed are vaping compatible. www.peoplespharmacy.com/2009/01/08/stevia-sweetene/
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 16:36:35 GMT
the way I read oxo's post he was just using that quote to humorously place a question mark over the mental state of the man who brought us aspartame Maybe, but I'm going on a character who wants things banned just so they can quit their own addiction and sod everyone else. Now who is misleading ? I have said in a thread totally different to this one that if there is a 2mg cap for us and a 4mg one for pharma I would support an out right ban. Im happy with the status quo but dont want to see it swing to another tax prison. Now stop being a baiting little troll and address posts within the thread.
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 16:17:05 GMT
Which direction is it leading you ? Ive just stated who got it on the market and quoted some of his poetry. Aspartame has been in and out of court for years and I think its not a bad thing to talk about it on the forum. I would not advise anyone to get reports etc off conspiracy sites there is not the need. Tagging it the material only to be studied by conspiracy sites does not really answer the OP. Eh? you're the one posting misleading quotes. Plural ? It would only be a misleading quote if it was leading you away from the truth.
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 16:03:57 GMT
It was only when he got a post in the white house the FDA had to yield and give the thumbs up for its use. Is it safe or is it not ? Until you take a deep long look the answer remains unKnown. '' There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know. | ” |
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That quote was about Iraq, not aspartame. So some what of a misleading post that. Fact is aspartame has undergone more trials than any other food stuff, but the ones that prove it to be safe do not make good headlines or get the flock to flood to fear mongering conspiracy sites. Each to their own though, we can all choose what we want to put into our bodies. Which direction is it leading you ? Ive just stated who got it on the market and quoted some of his poetry. Aspartame has been in and out of court for years and I think its not a bad thing to talk about it on the forum. I would not advise anyone to get reports etc off conspiracy sites there is not the need. Tagging it the material only to be studied by conspiracy sites does not really answer the OP.
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Post by oxo on Mar 4, 2013 15:21:35 GMT
Donald Rumsfeld was the named vice President of Searle, the company that gave us aspartame. It was only when he got a post in the white house the FDA had to yield and give the thumbs up for its use. Is it safe or is it not ? Until you take a deep long look the answer remains unKnown. '' There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know. | ” |
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Post by oxo on Mar 3, 2013 23:20:53 GMT
I want to know a few more things here which may seem trivial now but just thinking of the bigger picture. 1.Will our vendors be able to still sell equipment such as atomisers,mods etc? 2.Will the forums still continue?Or will they have to be plugged,killing the community. 3.Will everything just continue as normal apart from the sale of nicotine liquid? Only reason i ask these questions,is because,if it's only the nicotine that will be regulated then i will make it my priority to just keep buying loads of the stuff and stashing it everywhere,lol.If it's everything including hardware then i will have to keep buying more cartomisers,rebuild ambles etc.Does anyone really know any answers to any of the above questions though Dont know tbh but Im after one of those battery s that charge from the base, you can vape as its charging and theres a good chance it will work as a battery eliminator once it no longer can hold a charge. I think tanks and the like will be floating round the markets for decades to come which ever direction vaping takes.
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Post by oxo on Mar 3, 2013 22:53:48 GMT
As I understand it; The Tory line is to support e-cigs - but if we wait until 2017 we will all be back on the stinkies. Unles this MEP is breaking the party line.(received 7th Jan 2013) Dear Mr. xxxxxxx, Thank you for your email setting out your thoughts on a proposal issued by the European Commission to amend current European law concerning the manufacture, presentation and sale of tobacco and related products. Among the products to be affected by the proposed changes are electronic inhalers, commonly known as personal vaporizers or e-cigarettes, which vaporize a liquid solution containing nicotine into an aerosol mist which is then inhaled to simulate the act of smoking tobacco. The Commission proposes to limit the amount of nicotine in solutions sold for use in electronic cigarettes to four milligrams of nicotine per millilitre, unless the products have been classified as for medicinal use. This would render the solution too weak to be a viable source of nicotine for smokers or ex-smokers, or would require manufacturers to apply for a costly licence to manufacture medicinal products. You are not alone in contacting me on this issue - many constituents feel similarly strongly. I have examined the arguments and I see the potential e-cigarettes offer as harm-reduction devices to improve human health. I am particularly convinced by the fact that e-cigarettes offer concentrated nicotine to addicts without the 4000 toxins and carcinogens found in tobacco smoke, that use of e-cigarettes removes the risk posed to non-smokers (and especially to children of smokers) by second hand smoke, that e-cigarettes appeal to adult smokers seeking to quit but not generally to children or those not yet addicted to nicotine, that traditional nicotine replacement therapies proposed by the NHS and the pharmaceutical industry have had very limited success in helping smokers quit permanently, and that thousands of British e-cigarette users (and millions across the EU and the world) are likely return to smoking if the directive is amended as foreseen and nicotine concentrations are limited to 4mg/ml. I have no doubt that this will lead to a large percentage of such users dying of smoking-related diseases they might otherwise have avoided, with all the personal and societal consequences this would mean. Such arguments have led me to conclude that the proposed changes to limit permitted concentrations of nicotine solution sold in the EU are counter-productive and will do much more harm than good. Changes to EU tobacco legislation have been expected for some time but were delayed by the recent resignation of the previous European Commissioner for Health and Consumer Affairs, John Dalli. His replacement, Tonio Borg, has expressed a desire to change the law before his mandate expires in June 2014. To prevent the proposed changes concerning e-cigarettes and all the negative consequences that would arise, we must work hard in the year ahead to build solid majorities in both the Parliament and the Council. As a member of the Parliament's Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety I will do everything in my power to make the arguments and convince other MEPs of the foolishness of diluting nicotine solution to the point of uselessness. I would also encourage you to raise awareness among others in the vapourizing community. The internet offers considerable opportunities to draw the attention of a wide audience to the issue and to contact your elected representatives quickly and easily. If you have not already done so I would encourage you to write to your MP and request him to raise the matter in Westminster, and persuade other e-cigarette users to do the same. If we bring to the attention of the public, the political world and the media the strong arguments in favour of e-cigarettes as a harm reduction device and the number of lives which can be saved through their use, we have a very strong chance of winning the argument. I would also be happy to receive your comments and suggestions as we move through the legislative process. I have offices in the UK and in Brussels and if there is anything else you would like to bring to my attention, please do not hesitate to get in touch. I am here to work on your behalf and represent your interests and would be delighted to hear from you. With very best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2013, Martin Callanan Conservative Member of the European Parliament for the North East Leader, European Conservatives and Reformists Group ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't vote Tory or UKIP, but would certainly consider it if Labour don't change tact. She coulndnt bring herself to tell you he was taking backhanders and got grassed up. Wait and see whos next to the trough. www.europeanvoice.com/article/2012/october/john-dalli-resigns/75389.aspx
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Post by oxo on Mar 3, 2013 22:16:17 GMT
You have chosen the route you believe to be right and I can only wish you luck.
Ive given up on democracy a while back, each to there own
I started the thread under the false assumption the cap was 20mg. It was quickly pointed out I was out by a full decimal at those kind of levels I see no negotiation. The thread is effectively dead as I thought I could tweak my habit within 20mg. Now I now how things stand Ill collect a decent stash to the side and wean myself down to hopefully flavoured juice .
Nothings going to happen overnight so I can see myself hanging out picking up mixing tips which is why I originals signed up.
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Post by oxo on Mar 3, 2013 21:40:16 GMT
I have read through the EU proposals. They say not above 2mg for recreational there after its a medicinal product. What matters is what the EMPs are doing or plan to do, if you have any links post them up. Writing letters is well meaning but its the content of the response that matters, can you sort me with relevant links ? links to forum posts wont change any outcome. Talking of caffeine and alcohol wont change anything. Its ok to broaden the discussion but you have to realise the options on the table are limited and out of our hands. Its with the bureaucrats and Im totally against begging them for a poultry 2mg maybe 4mg so long as I continue to be the cash cow continuation of the tobacco tax. It's not out of our hands though. In in the hands of politicians and they in turn are paid by tax payers money and work for us... they just need reminding of that sometimes, hence the letter writing campaign to MPs. We can change the process, it won't be easy but it can be done and HAS to be done. If we sit on our arses and say "I can't change anything" then you know what the result will be. Do you wont a vote of if the uk stays in the EU ? Cameron will give you one in 2017 I can post you a youtube of him slaging brown of and demanding one back in 2009/ Give me any example of an mp not doing a uturn on what they promised the electorate, You like the carrot on the stick and thats all it is untill you can show me a letter off one MP or EMP that will break ranks and go against the party line and advertise the fact that he/she will support ecigs and the vaping community.
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