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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:48:22 GMT
Clone. Copy. Both the same. You *don't think you have*. Sorry mate but that's not good enough. Unless you know 100% that you haven't so much as had a fake coke in a pub then you've no right to preach any anyone who buys clones. People in glass houses and such. The world is full of copies of originals. Clones. 'A-likes' etc. full of them. If the makers are so bothers. Patent the ideas and sue the clone makers. I'm off to buy a clone of something now. Just because I can. hmm, I think you missed the point young grasshopper im not preaching, im trying to protect vaping, what I thought everyone here kinda liked doing, see? I dont have a issue with people if they buy clones, you do as you wish, not my problem. I do have a issue with the blatant theft that we are seemingly supporting. its illegal, immoral, the cloners are cheating everyone, not just the guy who designed it originally. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:43:25 GMT
You don't buy fashion? You have zero clothes? - My girlfriend buys them, she likes shopping i dontI assume all clothes you do have are purchased from the original designers shops? - you miss the point, its not about buying a original from a legitimate but not affiliated outlet.What in saying is. People clone stuff. It happens. It's up to the individual how they spend their money. It's not up to you to preach at us and try and enforce your will. indeed, that is the job of the department of trading standards, and resellers (not you or I) will be going to jail for it, mark my word.If you have a phone or computer how do you deal with this? Since designers of them always steal ideas from other developers and manufacturers. I dont have a downloaded copy of windows, nor any hooky software, its all legit, that is how I deal with it. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:39:42 GMT
hired theft go down scotty road, give a scag head 100 quid to rob your house. thats what the chinese cloners are doing to the mojo's and caravela's out there, someone is hiring them to steam the other guys design. Nice way to avoid half the post. As I said. Unless you've always bought original copies from original makes your entire life. Not even had a cheap mars bar copy. Then you're being hypocritical. It's obviously your prerogative to buy whatever you want. It is not however your prerogative to preach to people. It is a best. Annoying. No better than the Jehovah's witnesses that no doubt annoy the crap out of your peaceful Sunday afternoons. copies - I dont believe I have ever bought a clone, never willingly anyways. this is not about you or me, its about the guy who spent his time making something, making sure it all works how it should, the production run was in order and not making duffers the logistics of components from suppliers to modifications in house to some of the parts etc etc etc etc it is not a right to own a orginal chi you, it is nobodys right to own a genuine chi you, it is a privilege you cant just go up to someones open front door and start helping yourself, thats what is happening to the little guy who put all the effort in. that is what im not happy with. not you not me the guy who is getting shafted by the guys cloning his business. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:32:29 GMT
they can charge whatever they like, its their product no one is forcing anyone to pay! so what you are saying is it is OK for me to pay a guy to steal your TV and bed so I pay him less than I would of paid if I bought them new, right ? It works this way with everything. Someone invented power steering, it goes into a car. Another car maker goes, well that's good. We'll copy that. A 3D TV was released. Now every maker has 3D TV's. Touch screen phones. Fashion designs. Chocolate, crisp, it happens in every single industry. Would you only by a teddy bear from the original factory that released the original design? Or do you think nothing of grabbing one at your local shop should you ever need one? If so then you're doing what you're so dead against us doing. You're buying a copy. A clone. Someone has taken the original idea and copied it. Made it for less and is selling it. If you are doing something you are telling us you're dead set against. Unless you buy originals of everything from original manufacturers then you can't really take offence at clones in a particular industry. power steering is patented, the design or idea is controled by registered designs that either the manufacturer creates OR licences Clicky 3d TV technology is licenced, be it active, passive or glasses free clickytouch screen phones, depending on what tech is used it is licenced from the patent holder Clickyfashion - sorry no idea chocolate - no idea crisps - again unsure teddy bear - no idea I dont buy any of the no idea stuff |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:24:06 GMT
they can charge whatever they like, its their product no one is forcing anyone to pay! so what you are saying is it is OK for me to pay a guy to steal your TV and bed so I pay him less than I would of paid if I bought them new, right ? The quite a ridiculous analogy. hired theft go down scotty road, give a scag head 100 quid to rob your house. thats what the chinese cloners are doing to the mojo's and caravela's out there, someone is hiring them to steam the other guys design. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:22:10 GMT
Fred, nothing against you at all my friend.
I have a kayfun 3.1, im not sold on it to be honest.
I cant afford lots of things I want, so I go without until I can.
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:17:26 GMT
Flavourz by Joe - Blueberry from pink mule I have used it in my other atties, its not the juice that is at fault. Some juices don't work well in the kayfun, others are amazing. I think custard tastes rubbish in a kayfun, but then I only like it on a dripper. ill try something else when its done, what type of flavours would you suggest ? i've not given up hope on it yet. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:08:16 GMT
this is not about being able to afford
I cannot afford a private jet, I will be content with not owning one until I can afford it.
which will be A never or B when I win the lottery twice (euromillions)
now if some cheap cloner came along with a 20 grand jet that was basically a copy of a Learjet 31a I could buy, would I buy one ?
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 19:01:05 GMT
well I have been using it all day and its vaping like a champ vapour wise but the taste . . . . . . its not really that hot on taste, its better than my protank 2 but no where near the taifun GS, the taifun GS for the record is no where near the steam turbine just for comparison. the steam turbine is a use with caution taste explosion, if you fire it first its just too much flavour!
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 18:54:39 GMT
Kelloggs certainly invented cornflakes. They made a movie about it called "The road to Wellville" starring Anthony Hopkins as Dr Kellogg. No more lidl shopping for the OP, they sell clones! so they did! licensed clones are acceptable  |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 18:53:47 GMT
Please do not bring the tedious clone arguments here, one of the things I really love about AAEC is most of us here are not the slightest bit precious about what we vape - the last thing we need is getting into the ridicuousness that certain other forums have resorted to. Copywrite infringement is not theft - much as the media companies would also like us to believe - I would never spend over £100 on an atomizer but I may well spend £20 - the original maker has lost nothing if I buy a clone this is good. I think its about morals, its not a high horse thing its more a, erm, I am a nice guy thing and would like to do the right things for others who have not wronged me. this guy seems to hit the nail on the head. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 18:48:20 GMT
there is no such thing as bad publicity but there is such thing as theft. |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 18:45:42 GMT
they are heavy yes, I have the kayfun 3.1 with a full tank here and the taifun gs is heavier
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 18:39:12 GMT
healthy competition . . . . . . geezus  out of interest, have you ever stolen anything from someone else? it just seems your attitude towards this lends itself to, well, you get the gist. When you resort to personal insults (calling me a thief ) you have lost the argument I do not need to justify myself to you  |
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Post by hiddenusername on Oct 26, 2013 18:37:56 GMT
my problem is the fakes Karma
its like kelloggs copying weetabix, using their logo and box and selling it a weetabix.
obviously wouldnt happen to kelloggs as they would sink them so in this instance its the little guy who is getting screwed over, the one man band mod makers like caravela etc.
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