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Post by frances on Nov 5, 2013 15:23:33 GMT
Thank you for the reassurance!
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Post by frances on Nov 5, 2013 15:11:12 GMT
Hi again. This is just a quick query. I've ordered some new gear from myepack - their prices were just SOOO much cheaper for everything I wanted. Then I started worrying whether they would be genuine items -itaste vv/vw with 5 xI clear 16 and charger £35.99 and a spinner battery (for my husband, but I want to try too!) for £17.99. I know the company is listed on here, but how come they can do everything so much cheaper? Maybe I'm just being overly sceptical after my experiences with Jac Vapour!
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Post by frances on Nov 4, 2013 21:39:17 GMT
Good to hear that the pro tanks are such a success and that the heads are interchangeable with the Evod as I have both on order! Just thought I'd add a recommendation for a juice that I have found really good and from reading your comments above, might be worth a try. Vermillion river (in particular Kentucky premium blend). I'm quite new to vaping (and very new to this forum!) but have tried quite a lot of different makes and flavours of juice to try and establish what flavour I like. I've been quite surprised with the results. Generally I don't have a sweet tooth but for a laugh I ordered whizz mix Mrs B's vanilla custard and loved it - this from an ex 30 a day cafe creme smoker! The only fruit one I've enjoyed has been Mango (from the same supplier) - tastes more like lime and is very refreshing without being tart. Generally I like a bit of tobacco mixed with a not too sweet vanilla /biscuit/ caramel which I find in the vermillion river range (all the above from www.uk-eliquid.co.uk ). |
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Post by frances on Nov 4, 2013 21:06:10 GMT
I've looked at charging bags, but can't see how they would work with a battery that winds directly into a plug on the wall, via an adapter? These things don't stop it exploding, just stop the bits flying across the room and setting fire to something. Just let the wire go through the top. As long as the battery is inside you should be OK. I agree that a spinner is a good place to start. If you get a vamo later the spinner won't be wasted, still handy for out & about. Thanks Giles. I realise that the bag doesn't stop it exploding, I just meant that the battery I've been charging doesn't have a wire, the ego like thread just screws into the plug. Or are the bags (and advice on charging) just related to mod batteries? Looks like a spinner it is, for the time being at least. I think I'll be more than occupied by trying out the various heads that will be available to me with a standard (510/ego) thread. Then I'll look at moving to a mod in a few months time for use at home, if I feel the need. Many thanks for all the advice (and patience!). |
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Post by frances on Nov 4, 2013 9:00:53 GMT
Thank you all, once again for your comments- guess I've been a bit lucky (and I realise now, stupid) with charging my batteries overnight -Won't be doing that again!! I've looked at charging bags, but can't see how they would work with a battery that winds directly into a plug on the wall, via an adapter?
I'm still looking to get a larger device/ mod at some in the near future but am a bit undecided by which one to go for - one or two of you have hinted that there 'are other options'. I think this needs a bit more thought and for me to read through few more threads on this excellent forum.
My main concern now is to get a replacement for my Jac vv - I really don't want to be buying any more replacement tanks from them as they won't be compatible with the new system and I'm running low on supplies. I also think it would be good to see how much of an improvement I get from using different types of tank/ wick set up. It might be that this fixes my biggest bug bears (ie the inability I seem to be having with cleaning the jac heads).
Having got used to vv, am I right in thinking that my options on a mid sized system are - itaste, spinner or ego twist? Spinner seems the one most of you would recommend. Then when I do move up to something like a Vamo, I will have a better grounding in what are my preferred tanks and I will be able to look at the slower china route.
Thanks too for all the excellent links provided- decadent vapours seems to offer some interesting juice (Giles, not sure I should try a coffee flavour with caffeine as I already have a hefty habit in the real thing!). Myepack have very good prices on juice (and equipment ) so will be giving them a try too.
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Post by frances on Nov 3, 2013 19:43:18 GMT
What a vamo (for instance) does do, among other things, is tell you how much power is left in your battery, and tell you the resistance of your atty - which is handy when you are rewicking. And if you do want to try an RBA one day then you'll have something that can drive it properly. Sorry, another reply. Just looked again at the Vamo and am just so undecided between this option and the innokin. If I go with the Vamo, would I be better buying the body separately from the kit and then buying better quality batteries and charger and if so do you have any recommendations? I don't intend quitting vaping so might be better to invest at this stage, having already made quite enough mistakes! My husband and children are just so pleased that I've stopped smoking that their view is 'just spend whatever it costs'! So.... And once again many thanks for taking the time to offer your advice. |
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Post by frances on Nov 3, 2013 19:24:31 GMT
would there be something I could re wick with that would tolerate these stickier liquids. I suspect that bottom-coil devices like the protank and evod will fare better than the top coil devices like the nova and iclear, but I'm really only guessing. However, if you are coiling your own wicks then you can replace the usual silica wick with cotton, which handles thicker juices better. (If that doesn't work, the next step would be a genesis-style RBA with a metal mesh wick or a dripping atty). I don't use cotton myself, but plenty do. There's videos e.g. linkIt might be easier to do something about the juice. Juices with a lot of VG (instead of PG) tend to be thicker. Also more vapour, a bit less throat hit. Slightly sweeter. It may be worth seeing if your supplier has a higher PG version of the liquid. Or, you could try thinning it yourself. Distilled water works (from a chemist, not a garage) but personally I use vodka, which works better and also increases the throat hit a bit (which I like but of course you may not). 5% vodka to 95% juice will probably make a noticeable difference to the atty, but maybe not much (or nothing bad) to the flavour. Incidentally, to clean my heads I just rinse them under the hot tap for a while, dab them on a tissue, and then put them on a radiator. I have at least 2 heads for each clearo I've got in use, so I replace the head with one I cleaned yesterday or whenever. I don't dry-burn any more. I've tried other things, but I think it is easier to just do the rinse more often. Evods and protanks are less trouble to clean & change heads than the novas and iclears because you don't have to empty the tanks before you do it. Thank you Giles. I am trying this method of cleaning and have my second to last head drying on the radiator as I type! The liquids I'm using aren't particularly heavy on VG (30%) but some are very thick- I have found that coffee ones are particularly bad at clogging, so will try thinning those as you suggest. I can say that the one bottom coil tank I have (a Jac version of an evod which they no longer have in stock and don't sell spare wicks for.....) has proved much better (if only it wouldn't 'pop' so alarmingly!) not clogging/ burning and is much easier to clean - so will definitely be going with bottom coil in the future. I'm now thinking about innokin for my replacement system- if I can get over my uncertainty over the ergonomics of the square design. |
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Post by frances on Nov 3, 2013 18:13:00 GMT
I love Innokin products. The STD is a tube mod with a good reputation; the MVP is a box mod with an enormous battery life, no other batteries needed; the itaste is a smaller battery, but is very slim and attractive. Also available at this price range is the Vamo - many people start their vv/vw experience with this, another electronic tube mod. Vamos, SVD and MVPs are available at www.myepack.co.uk - best prices I've found for brand new items; the itaste best price is at www.paradisevape.co.uk for £30. I've got to run so haven't got time to find direct links - apologies! Sorry for the slow reply- I see that the innokin products get good reviews and are at around the right price point (at the moment!). Couple of quick questions if you don't mind? Is the box shape of the MVP or VTR uncomfortable in the hand (I'm guessing not or it would be so well reviewed). I keep reading about 'pass through' - does that mean that you don't hold it? Would it be best to go with the VTR over the MPV if I'm thinking of doing my own coils (so I can check the resistance- hope I'm getting the terminology right here!). I can see definite advantages if the battery lasts so much longer, without too long a length/weight. Do you need a second battery for when it needs charging or do most people just use a back up system of charge overnight? I think that's more than a couple of questions! So I'll stop there. Just can't believe how incredible kind and helpful everyone is being! Thank you. |
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 23:14:24 GMT
Dragon- thank you for this info on cleaning the tank/atomiser/coil/wick (not sure what the collective term is- it's a nova tank that I've been using with replaceable coil). I think maybe the problem is a bit of both- not dry enough (impatience) and pulling on the wicks (ignorance)! I have since dissected one of the heads and now am gaining a bit more insight into how it all works- bear in mind that I am of a generation where girls didn't study science apart from biology if they attended an all girls school!! One more bit of clarification please- you say you put the dry burned head in a cup and pour boiling water over it. So then do you have to dry it again for 24 hours- sorry for being a bit dense!
Giles- thank you for your feedback. I do particularly like vermillion river juice - premium Kentucky blend -which is quite thick and sweet. If you know of a similar one which might not clog as much I'd love to hear about it. I have a very large (for a relatively new vapour) collection of juice and seem to always prefer the sweet, digestive biscuity tobacco ones (I'm an ex cigar smoker so that might explain my preference). If I can't find an alternative (and even if I can) would there be something I could re wick with that would tolerate these stickier liquids. I'd definitely like to have a go at re wicking.
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 19:10:32 GMT
 francesMain thing is to get a clearomiser with replaceable heads, so when they gunk up you replace only the head, not the whole atty. The iclear and protank will both do that; so will the evod, which is like the protank but a bit cheaper. Protank and evod heads are cheaper than iclear; or you can buy wick and wire and rebuild them yourself, which can't be done easily on the iclear. The iclear also tends to use more juice - but it is a very nice vape. The obvious replacement battery would be a spinner. You could get something like firstvape.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=226 You'd probably put an evod, mini protank or an iclear 16 on it rather than a bigger clearo. Or, if you are happy with something much bigger and heavier you could take a larger step and go for something like a vamo - charliesvapeshop.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=296 or much cheaper slowboat from china (if you want to do that let us know, and we can advise on batteries etc.). You would put a full size protank or an iclear 30 on that. Are you using Jac's juices? There are better and cheaper alternatives. Thank you Giles. I am currently using replaceable heads- maybe my expectaions are too high in how long they should last (2 days?) I wouldn't mind so much if I could clean them, but when i do they stop working all together! I know it's still cheaper than smoking, so I shouldn't complain! I'm still trying to decide between going for an alternative vv of a similar size to the one I'm used to or biting the bullet and going 'large' with a mod. Is the only difference to do with battery time and tank size or is there a noticeable difference in flavour and throat hit too? |
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 18:59:17 GMT
The magic number you are looking for is 510, that is the standard fitting these days that nearly all independent systems use. Many things are 510/ego fitting. A 510 atty will fit on an ego battery, but an ego atty will not fit on a 510 battery (there are very few of these) without an adapter. You will probably be able to get an adapter for your batteries which will allow you to use 510 attys. I don't know what size fitting jac use, hopefully someone can tell you. www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=35For gunky liquids I really like the iClear16s. If you learn how to dry burn you can keep the coils going for months. The iClears are also a lot less likely to burn your liquids. Good hunting, there are some wonderful systems out there, just remember to stay with 510 and you can mix and match  Thank you for your reply. It doesn't seem possible to get an adapter (all to do with a reversed connection and raised in another thread on this forum). For dry burning, can I ask, do you wash the wick first? When I've attempted this so far (3times now) the atomiser doesn't fire at all and ends up in the bin and me very annoyed! I take it apart, clean it in warm water, gently and leave to dry over night. Then I assemble it and ... Nothing. I have managed it successfully on a bottom coil but not on the nova for Vgo (seems a special just for JAC - as it has the appropriate connection). |
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 18:50:23 GMT
....unless you buy the adapter only couple of pounds... The problem is that you can't get an adaptor for the Vgo as the threads are reversed (the battery is male and the tank female, unlike all the other systems I've seen. I discovered this on another thread on this forum after ordering a couple of tanks that don't fit (yet- I'm soon to be buying a new battery!). Thank you for your reply. |
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 18:44:37 GMT
frances - hi, and welcome to the forum! You have made a start, that is the good thing! I've never seen Jacvapour kit before, but I have read that it is incompatible and expensive. There will be many other posters along who will recommend kit which will be better for you in the long run, but you could do a lot worse than visit Myepack and have a look at their starter kits - here's one to get you started Protank Starter KitYou will of course need another battery and maybe another tank, so why not buy 2 and then you have a backup charger too. With 2 batteries and 2 Protanks you will be future-proofed and if you want to get into the realms of recoiling heads, the Protank heads are quite easy to do yourself, as many of us do! Above all, please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have; we've all been where you are now and can help you to get the best out of your kit and your wallet ETA: try having a look through this excellent guide put together by a forum member to see what is around - allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/28309/pics-vids-get-started-abbreviations?page=1&scrollTo=513761 Thank you for your advice. The guide is indeed excellent and I am now thinking about a new system. I have got used to and enjoy the variable voltage so would be looking for that feature and will definitely be trying the pro tank heads (when I've decided on which new system to go for). Myepack are new to me and can't believe their prices- the juice in particular! Will definitely give them a go. Many thanks. |
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 18:37:34 GMT
Welcome Frances. I was drawn to JacVapour after cutting down from 15 a day to about 12 a day using E-Lites. They're good they are, and cheap too. NOT.  Sometimes, the whole JacVapour thing annoys me, other times I'm kind of so-so about it. Compared to E-Lites, JacVapour are good guys. Do I feel I got the whole truth buying into their system? No. But products like Blu and Halo in the US do exactly the same thing. They conveniently forget to mention the stuff is incompatible with almost everything else on the market. Now, some good news. It IS possible to use up your cartomizers and even your Vivi Novas using an adapter to make it fit 510 equipment. Even saying that - I'd say buy yourself something new and 100% compatible. If you feel you want to get your money's worth out of the VV vGo, then keep using it with the vivi nova tank. If it takes one new atomizer head every 2-3 days, that's only 70p a day - you probably won't find them cheaper than £1.99 in all honesty. Then again, you might decide to use up what you have and then buy a 510 Vivi Nova .... your inherent problem is not going to change though. I used up nearly all my JacVapour kit.... and then cut my losses. The biggest annoyance is that every last product is more expensive than it needs to be; from the liquids to the batteries to the atomizers. Trouble is, google leads SO many people to JacVapour. So many people are utterly "amazed" at the quality and all the reviews are sensational. Compared to skycigs and E-Lites, they are a bloody miracle. However, the users pay too much and it's only when you start shopping around that you realise the 808 problem. Somebody once described the V3 mini cig-a-like as the best one on the market. Even I wrote a generous review about it in the early days. I puffed on mine yesterday, freshly charged battery with a brand new 18mg Vanilla cartomiser. What a disappointment.  This stuff is old, old technology now. A £7.50 eGo battery kit is superior in every way. Sorry about that- just learning to do the quote bit to thank you and reply- for some reason I can't just select a part of your post (I just managed it with my previous reply...?). Useful to think about getting an adapter to enable me to use my old tanks/carts on whatever new battery I buy. The trouble with Jac (as you no doubt discovered) is that you can't buy an adaptor for the battery to make it compatible with other tanks (all to do with male/female connections being reversed). I think you are right that I need to start again! Thanks |
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Post by frances on Nov 2, 2013 18:28:13 GMT
Welcome Frances. I was drawn to JacVapour after cutting down from 15 a day to about 12 a day using E-Lites. They're good they are, and cheap too. NOT. Sometimes, the whole JacVapour thing annoys me, other times I'm kind of so-so about it. Compared to E-Lites, JacVapour are good guys. Do I feel I got the whole truth buying into their system? No. But products like Blu and Halo in the US do exactly the same thing. They conveniently forget to mention the stuff is incompatible with almost everything else on the market. Now, some good news. It IS possible to use up your cartomizers and even your Vivi Novas using an adapter to make it fit 510 equipment. Even saying that - I'd say buy yourself something new and 100% compatible. If you feel you want to get your money's worth out of the VV vGo, then keep using it with the vivi nova tank. If it takes one new atomizer head every 2-3 days, that's only 70p a day - you probably won't find them cheaper than £1.99 in all honesty. Then again, you might decide to use up what you have and then buy a 510 Vivi Nova .... your inherent problem is not going to change though. I used up nearly all my JacVapour kit.... and then cut my losses. The biggest annoyance is that every last product is more expensive than it needs to be; from the liquids to the batteries to the atomizers. Trouble is, google leads SO many people to JacVapour. So many people are utterly "amazed" at the quality and all the reviews are sensational. Compared to skycigs and E-Lites, they are a bloody miracle. However, the users pay too much and it's only when you start shopping around that you realise the 808 problem. Somebody once described the V3 mini cig-a-like as the best one on the market. Even I wrote a generous review about it in the early days. I puffed on mine yesterday, freshly charged battery with a brand new 18mg Vanilla cartomiser. What a disappointment. This stuff is old, old technology now. A £7.50 eGo battery kit is superior in every way. |
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