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Which way are you doing the mesh?

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't do a genesis either with a mesh wick, gave up like you, but after using one on a pheonix, I think I could make it work now, just don't want to

Main points I've learned, don't quench wick, make sure coil isn't too tight or loose all the way round, especially into connections, if you get a hot spot loosen or tighten slightly wire, start the voltage very low and work your way up.
HTH's

I think all online uk suppliers of ecigs already state they are only available to over 18's anyway, I suspect it's the local shops that may sell them to under 18's already...... the same ones that sell fags to under 18's? Mmmmm

In some ways it must be better for under 18's to try ecigs rather than real cigs, which they are doing anyway, but it obviously undermines our position.

I mean if you said to someone, if they want to try a fag, give them a ecig instead, that's got to be better for the teenager, which is true, but will more try the ecig believing it to be safe, than would have tried the real fag in the first place.

We find ourselves in a huge dilemma. Yes ban ecigs to under 18's, but they will get them anyway, should they get them if they want to try smoking, should they get them if they do smoke?

Atm all of our efforts are towards exsisting smokers, but it is a fool who believes all ecig companies feel the same way, they want to expand.

The next few years are going to be even more turbulent than the last year towards ecigs and although I believe they will exist at the end of it, I have no doubt they will have to change in some way.

Tsk, there's always one

Normally me tbh

I can't thank anyone, is this usual. Not that I'm addicted to it Macca but sometimes it's nice to say thankyou to someone without having to post.

Which was why I said that some skills are considered more important than others. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Regardless of the time spend training.

It's crazy, I've questioned for years how someone who programs a computer in a basic way, should earn 175K and someone who clears up sh** should earn minimum wage.

Unfortunately, it's supply and demand. Many people can do the front end and clean crap, not so many make it through university and do a decent job programming. But that's a whole new discussion entirely.

Being a manager does require certain skills, but too many haven't got them, also in general we have too many chiefs and not enough front line troops. And the ones at the coal face we do have, are considered expendable and if they don't want to do it, others will. No matter the skills they have.

What I'm trying to say, is that some skills are considered more important than others, which is wrong and it's the skills that we are talking about, the ones that involves care for other people, which are often held in contempt.

You see how many politicians parents and children go into general health and education care.
Mmmmm, not many. Tells you all you need to know.