Interesting BBC item on E Cigs

[lordbarby]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21408502

[robby]

Good report, obviously still a lot of fear about the unknown by the medical people, but it isnt as negative as a lot we have seen

[worthingbloy]

5 million deaths saved, that should be enough said, period! However the cynic in me says thats 5 million people not paying Tobacco tax, Hmmm I fear a Ecig Juice tax coming our way

[Banky]

I watched that report this morning, I was not to happy when the guy said there has been reports of 13 year old kids,
using e-cigs on a bus. He didn't say who made the report and just left his statement hanging in air.

[santa668]

The text of that video, and slightly more info available here: clicky

[kibbster]

Feb 11, 2013 21:49:27 GMT Banky said:

I watched that report this morning, I was not to happy when the guy said there has been reports of 13 year old kids,
using e-cigs on a bus. He didn't say who made the report and just left his statement hanging in air.

There was an interesting chat on VTtalk the other week about kids and vaping.
It's quite a dilemma, vaping is better than smoking and it's not actually illegal to sell none tobacco products to kids.
Restricting them to over 18s also associates them more with smoking.
But it definitely creates a bad impression of e-cigs and is likely to bring regulation down on all our heads very quickly.
Also selling or supplying children with an addictive nicotine product is morally wonky, even if it's a fairly harmless drug.

[thundercat]

Feb 11, 2013 21:38:45 GMT worthingbloy said:

5 million deaths saved, that should be enough said, period! However the cynic in me says thats 5 million people not paying Tobacco tax, Hmmm I fear a Ecig Juice tax coming our way

And another 5,000,000 people aged over 80 to look after and pay for. How will we ever cope?

[thundercat]

Feb 11, 2013 22:03:55 GMT kibbster said:

Feb 11, 2013 21:49:27 GMT Banky said:

I watched that report this morning, I was not to happy when the guy said there has been reports of 13 year old kids,
using e-cigs on a bus. He didn't say who made the report and just left his statement hanging in air.

There was an interesting chat on VTtalk the other week about kids and vaping.
It's quite a dilemma, vaping is better than smoking and it's not actually illegal to sell none tobacco products to kids.
Restricting them to over 18s also associates them more with smoking.
But it definitely creates a bad impression of e-cigs and is likely to bring regulation down on all our heads very quickly.
Also selling or supplying children with an addictive nicotine product is morally wonky, even if it's a fairly harmless drug.

I dispute that nicotine is addictive.But apart from that, do parents allow their under 18's to drink coffee or buy energy drinks or even consume alcohol? In my case yes to all three.

[Banky]

Feb 11, 2013 22:03:55 GMT kibbster said:

Feb 11, 2013 21:49:27 GMT Banky said:

I watched that report this morning, I was not to happy when the guy said there has been reports of 13 year old kids,
using e-cigs on a bus. He didn't say who made the report and just left his statement hanging in air.

There was an interesting chat on VTtalk the other week about kids and vaping.
It's quite a dilemma, vaping is better than smoking and it's not actually illegal to sell none tobacco products to kids.
Restricting them to over 18s also associates them more with smoking.
But it definitely creates a bad impression of e-cigs and is likely to bring regulation down on all our heads very quickly.
Also selling or supplying children with an addictive nicotine product is morally wonky, even if it's a fairly harmless drug.

I watched that as well the other night, its wrong to sell or encourage kids with any nicotine product but if any of my kids at say 18 walked
into the house with an e-cig I would be a lot more happy with that instead of them smoking cigs.
I happy to say none of them have taken to smoking, what gets up my goat is someone seen this or somebody seen that they should
back it up with evidence. I live in Glasgow and work in one of the hardest schemes. I also live 2 miles from another wild scheme and not
once have I seen any kid at any age walking about with an e-cig it just would not do their street cred any good to have one on the other
hand I've seen kids as young as 7 or 8 puffing on a cigarette,

[womble]

I think all online uk suppliers of ecigs already state they are only available to over 18's anyway, I suspect it's the local shops that may sell them to under 18's already...... the same ones that sell fags to under 18's? Mmmmm

In some ways it must be better for under 18's to try ecigs rather than real cigs, which they are doing anyway, but it obviously undermines our position.

I mean if you said to someone, if they want to try a fag, give them a ecig instead, that's got to be better for the teenager, which is true, but will more try the ecig believing it to be safe, than would have tried the real fag in the first place.

We find ourselves in a huge dilemma. Yes ban ecigs to under 18's, but they will get them anyway, should they get them if they want to try smoking, should they get them if they do smoke?

Atm all of our efforts are towards exsisting smokers, but it is a fool who believes all ecig companies feel the same way, they want to expand.

The next few years are going to be even more turbulent than the last year towards ecigs and although I believe they will exist at the end of it, I have no doubt they will have to change in some way.

[neilg]

They seem to try and demonise vaping rather than looking at the posatives

[womble]

Feb 11, 2013 22:34:06 GMT neilg said:

They seem to try and demonise vaping rather than looking at the posatives

The guy who said 5 million may be saved from dying seemed a bit of a positive.
Although I somehow doubt his figures, but he is the expert after all.

[kibbster]

Feb 11, 2013 22:37:55 GMT womble said:

Feb 11, 2013 22:34:06 GMT neilg said:

They seem to try and demonise vaping rather than looking at the posatives

The guy who said 5 million may be saved from dying seemed a bit of a positive.
Although I somehow doubt his figures, but he is the expert after all.

I wish I could get much confidence in that
We've had a lot of so called "experts" recently demonising e-cigs.

It's a shame that these so called experts let their personal opinion and feelings get in the way of research.
I can only think they go out to try and find evidence to prove what they already believe and ignore evidence that doesn't corroborate their view, even if it's pretty over-whelming.

It seems science is  like statistics in that you can interpret the results to back any side of an argument you want.

[genguskhan]

I have just watched it, while it was quite an interesting article for a change, the woman said she’d take them of the shelf until they are proven, seems to be saying it through gritted teeth. (think she is a e-cig hater) As for saying any under 18 could buy them? I disagree as most shop owners that I have seen selling e-lights etc. Sell them to adults only with 18 symbols everywhere.

[dustyfog]

its the e cig lookalike that should be banned from shops.the type we somke on here
are not readly avaliable in shops, you have to have a debit card to buy one.
the lookalike type is gloryfieing smokeing and the sellers are cashing in on the act