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I also I forgot to mention is , by the looks of the photo's it has a different air flow control ring/system , in the form of something the looks like the air flow controller 3.
In my mind I think that is a good thing, as long as it has enough air flow for the lung hitters , I'm not one of them , but it would be an advantage for them against the competition and for their sales figures.


Andy

Just to name two , How about Robert West and Konstantinos Farsalinos.

This year IS a VERY important year for vaping , as next year the European directive is going through.Everyone across the European Union need to make their feelings heard as far as vaping is concerned , as we will lose it otherwise.If you don't think that will happen , look at what is happening in Holland in 3 weeks time.
We as vapers now , should be ok with getting the supplies we need to make sure we are ok.BUT , this is NOT what it's all about.It should be about the current smokers that want to change to vaping and thus growing our community , not seeing it dwindle into nothing because we were pushed around by lying , money grabbing people that have been bought by big Pharma, the scientific proof we have already shows us that , let alone longer studies which will cement our case.

This is the perfect time of year to get the word out as well, with all the New Year resolutions happening , this is the time of year where most smokers try and quit and manufacturers of all things vaping need to get together and tell their customers what's going to happen otherwise.
Over 70 Chinese manufacturers got together yesterday is discuss this and we in the EU should be doing the same.In the UK alone we are 2.1 million people strong and rapidly growing as even supermarket figures will tell you , let alone dedicated vaping shops , so we need every manufacturer , be it juice or hardware need themselves and the customers to keep lobbying.

As far as blowing clouds in a public place with no real purpose or agenda , in my eyes isn't the way forward , it just looks like bunch of people moaning they can't get their own way like a child having a temper tantrum.
IF we are going to have a rally , have a goal, like being able to talk to the health secretaries , in power and shadow , this is just my opinion of course , but I still think we need to look a LOT more professional from a general public and governmental point of view.



Andy

But you haven't rung me yet 

Andy

vapegeek do you know when you are getting in the Kato Box Mod Clone in stock again please as I'm looking at this and the Kayfun V4 clone ?


Andy

I seem to sit on the fence as far as elitist goes.

On the one hand if it wasn't for people making the original , there wouldn't be the clones for it , so no-one would have one.I also don't like the way elitism excludes the vast majority of people of having something.I don't like the " I'm considerably richer than you " attitude to certain mods and atty's.

With the Kato box mod clone I'm looking at , I don't think there is going to be a lot of difference between the original and the clone , quality wise , add to that , that these are very simple items to make , just one moving part ( the switch ) , the rest can be copied via a CNC and unless you are the manufacturer of the original , I'll doubt if you know the difference.Having said that , i think that atty's , especially being the size they are and how intricate they are too , they are a lot more difficult to clone and this is where , at least I think so , the biggest difference will be.

There is also customer service to consider when thinking about "Original vs Clone" , with the originals , they are normally done is smaller numbers , so can't afford to get things wrong as bad press will kill that product and the company stone dead quickly.Also added to which , when they have charged this very high price , they can afford to replace parts , add a sweetener in etc Which makes them look really good.With a clone, these are done in high volume and done ( a lot of the time ) by companies that you can't even contact most of the time , so if it goes bad , you don't have any come back and you left with a £30-£40 paper weight.

I've probably rambled and flitted back and forth in my half awake state.If needed I'll try and be more clear later when I've had at least 2 cups of tea.


Andy

I whole heart-idly agree with that Greg .


Andy