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Post by leftfield on Jan 13, 2012 15:46:58 GMT
Typically a cartomiser holds around 25 drops of liquid on the very first fill and after that you only need to top it up with anywhere between 4 to 6 drops just to keep it moist. There is roughly 20 drops per 1ml so you get around 1ml of liquid in your cartomiser. Kr808D-1's I think are really good for testing the water with ecigs but like everyone else always says, there's stronger ecigs out there that last longer. Kr808d-1's are solid performers though with around 2 hours between charges, so with a pair of them you can get through around half a day depending on how often you actually hit them. It really depends on you though, if you want a stronger throat hit or actually need a longer lasting battery. I know I do but that's me and I don't want to force anyone to buy anything they don't need or want to in the first place  |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 23:38:36 GMT
60 drops in all to a 10ml mix And there was me thinking I was going overboard with 30 lol! That's actually very reassuring as strange as that might sound |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 23:35:52 GMT
A riva can use a cartomiser. You want what's called a 510 cartomiser. There are different ohm ratings on them (resistances) but typically for a riva you'll want anywhere between 2.5ohms to 2.0ohms. 2.5ohms will be nice and warm but 2.0ohms will be much more pronounced with more vapour and heat. You can get cartomisers here: www.vapeescape.co.uk/search.asp?types=Vaping+Spares+%3E+Cartomisers that will work with your riva, or any other site selling 510 cartomisers. You're really not stuck with what comes with your kit  almost anything that will fit a 510 thread will work with your riva! Yes, sorry for rambling away with abbreviations There are two main types of liquid in the ecig world: vg and pg. vg is thicker, sweeter, produces more vapour but isn't as strong on your throat. pg is thinner, gives a better hit on your throat but produces less vapour. I'm allergic to pg so I have to use vg liquids. A CE2 is one of these: freedomvape.co.uk/shop/article_1049/XL-Ultimate-Clearomizers.html?shop_param=cid%3D7%26aid%3D1049%26I wouldn't really recommend you get one straight away. They're similar to cartomisers but they're clear. They don't work straight away which is why I don't recommend them straight away. You need to fiddle about with them for them to work properly. It's quite easy to do, but maybe not if you're completely new to ecigs. |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 23:17:55 GMT
Hmm. It's hard to work out what I save or not because I used to roll my own which was a ton cheaper. Now I also make my own liquids and burn through them at different rates depending on what I feel like vaping so I'm not sure really. I reckon I'm using about £10 a month on vaping though. For the cost of the nicotine and vg to mix it into. That's after the start up costs though and I use CE2s to vape with which, if you're kind to them, will last well over a month each. So I get about 5 - 8 months out of 5 CE2s which only sets me back around £7. So total of around £11 a month for me? I don't think rolling my own was too much more expensive than that either though, but vaping is sure as anything better for me |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 23:13:48 GMT
Going to also try the clearos that you recommended, Leftfield, you can guarantee I'll be back on here for lots more advice from you when they arrive. Sure thing they are by far my favourite heating element for my ecigs so I sure hope I can be of help after using them so long by now |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 23:06:06 GMT
If you have a female, or male even, with nail polish in different colours, it's a piece of cake to colour code your cartomisers with different colours of nail polish blobs or circles You can do a lot of things to colour code them really but it's one of the easiest ways to identify your flavours in the cartomisers. I only use a few flavours now so I can tell what's in my clearomisers (CE2's) just by the colour of the liquid  |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 22:57:41 GMT
I saw reviews pointing me to a Riva 510 but my only concern is that it's apparently the size of a cigar? I've seen the bottles of liquid, but no idea how long they would last? Hi camberman, you're in the right place to get up set up and on your way here First question, here is an ego which is roughly the same size as a riva next to an ecig that's a little bigger than a superking cigarette:  It's not much bigger than you'd think but you couldn't hold it between your fingers like a real cigarette. For liquid, the average vaper uses 2 - 3ml a day so you can use that as a solid base to estimate juice costs per month/year. At the minute i'm thinking for the transition a tobacco tasting liquid would be better, is that right? The keyring one looks good, but how long would the battery last on that? Where would i buy a Riva starter kit from? Cartomizers/Atomizers confuse me a little, not sure of the difference. Also confused by manual/auto. Which is the Riva? Thanks again! Tobacco flavours are generally disappointing. You can't emulate the burning leaf so it's not quite the same. There are juices that are close but they can't taste the same as a real cigarette. For batteries you estimate the runtime by the mAh rating. You get around one hour of vaping out of 100 - 120 mah. So a 300 mah battery would last around 3 hours. I'm sure chrissie could tell you where you get a riva for a lot cheaper than I could! A cartomiser is the easiest heating element to use. They simply screw onto the battery once you've filled it and you're good to go. Here is a video on one easy way to fill them: An atomiser is a two piece heating element. It has a cartridge and an atomiser. You put liquid into the wadding of the cartridge and put it onto the atomiser, then put the atomiser onto the battery. It has a much smaller capacity for liquid than an atomiser meaning it needs filled much more often so I wouldn't recommend you stick with atomisers as you're starting out. The riva is a manual. Ideally you want a manual for greater control over the vapour production and battery protection as automatics will short and die if you get any liquid in them. As a side note, you could try out a Kr808d-1 model which I think is the absolute best cig sized model for relatively cheap if you want a cig sized backup: www.safercigs.co.uk/Intro_Vapour_PRO/p705283_4307948.aspx (use code "allaboute" for 10% off that as well) Thanks to chrissie as always for the link to the cheapest one I hope that's not total information overload and helps somewhat  |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 22:33:02 GMT
allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mixology&thread=4798&page=1There we go! I've kept this recipe a closely guarded secret because it's so versatile. I've added so many different things to it like virginia, marlbro, syrup, watermelon (I do not advise you try this one ) and so many random things and it still tastes like nice biscuits with whatever extra flavour I threw in there with it. It's not a hard to make flavour so I guess someone else might have stumbled on it by now too.
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 22:28:51 GMT
You'll have to forgive my lack of actual percetanges as I mix by drops. I guess if you're good at it you could work out the % and scale it up if you want to. This mix tastes exactly like nice biscuits en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_biscuit why, I don't know, it just does Nice biscuit base flavourings -Flavourart: caramel, bitter wizard Perfumers apprentice: ry4, hazelnut Variants to add -Flavourart: coffee espresso, maple syrup, vanilla, virginia, usa mix Perfumers apprentice: strawberry For a 10ml bottle of nice biscuit base, mix:30 drops ry4 (yes, 30 I need 20% flavouring or I can't taste much with vg) 5 drops caramel 1 drop bitter wizard 1 10% drop hazelnut (I put 9 drops of vg into a cartomiser condom, add one drop of hazelnut to that then put one drop of this mix into my finished 10ml mix. The hazelnut is far too strong otherwise.)
For variants add:- 5 drops coffee espresso for a coffee cake flavour (a lot like cafe noir biscuits, my all time favourite) - 1 drop of strawberry for a strawberry shortcake flavour - 1 drop of virginia for a grassy yet biscuity sweet tobacco flavour - 1 drop of usa mix for the sweetest biscuity tasting ry4 you ever had A less ry4 intensive biscuit base alternative that is even sweeter is as follows...Per 10ml: - 5 drops caramel - 1 drop vanilla - 1 drop bitter wizard - 3 drops maple syrup - 1 10% drop of hazelnut Variants are as before:- 5 drops of coffee espresso, 1 drop of strawberry, 1 virginia, 1 usa mix. I ran out of my ry4 one day and couldn't get any so I wound up making the second variant of nice biscuit base. It's not quite the same  I need more ry4! I hope someone's gonna make it and enjoy it as much as I do. I would pay good money for someone to turn the coffee espresso added to the nice biscuit base into a cake so I can eat it and vape it at the same time. |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 22:07:26 GMT
It doesn't taste nutty at all though. I only use 10% of one drop of hazelnut (lol) which makes it so much of an undertone it just tastes like biscuit. Alright, I'll take the plunge and drop off my mixes in the mixology section which is a scary concept  I mix like a noob  |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 21:49:13 GMT
No. The biscuit comes from hazelnut surprisingly. I was going for cappuccino with a hint of hazelnut to it but I ended up inventing a biscuit base flavour instead I've used in a lot of my mixes now. It's carmel, ry4, hazelnut and espresso. I want someone to turn this liquid into a cake so I can eat it because it tastes so good to me I can give you a breakdown of the actual recipe if you want to give it a shot. Change espresso for syrup and it's waffle-y, change that for strawberry and it's strawberry shortcake |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 21:37:09 GMT
This nice biscuit ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_biscuit ) and coffee mix I've batched up has been my staple nicotine source for about four months now. Right now though, because I'm constantly in search of the perfect ry4 I've started on this 50ml of ry4 so I'll be with it for a while I think |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 21:19:10 GMT
Both of those look good to me You're almost there! The only thing I'd add would be some cartomisers as well: www.vapeescape.co.uk/boge-510-standard-resistance-%285%29~145There's a video on that page showing you an easy way to fill them. Cartomisers are a lot easier to use than the atomisers that will come with the riva but it wont hurt at all to have the atomisers as a backup. The cartomisers simply screw ontop of the riva batteries. It is difficult starting up with ecigs but you're almost there. It took me a long time to come to decision when I got my first one as well but I was glad I looked into it first Oh you'll need some juice with them as well, it doesn't look like they come with that kit. The cheapest juice has to be here: vapourworld.co.uk/shop/category_8/Fuel-%28eLiquid%2C-SmokeJuice%29.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26I just got some of their Ry4 today. It's not godly but for the price I really can't complain |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 20:59:44 GMT
Hello & welcome Daisy Same as Leftfield, I was also thinking that if you really did want to try a cheap ciggie lookalike to get started, the KR808 would be better as they have longer battery life between charges than the standard 510. Good deal from safercigs on a KR808, use discount code "allaboute" for 10% off - www.safercigs.co.uk/Intro_Vapour_PRO/p705283_4307948.aspxYou always know where to get ecigs cheaper > Bookmarked I'm really glad I have my Kr808D-1's because I'm just not so into waving the lavatube around all the time and if it's in my pocket I see people looking down there wondering if that's four packs of rolos in my pocket or I'm just that happy to see them  |
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Post by leftfield on Jan 12, 2012 20:47:38 GMT
If you really, truly, absolutely want one that's cigarette sized then I'd advise you to get a Kr808d-1 model rather than the 510. There's a simple reason for that and that is that the kr808d-1 models have a higher voltage than the 510 meaning they will give a better heat to the vapour and they are higher mAh rating which means they will go a little longer than the 510 models between charges. The Kr808D-1 is regulated to 3.6v meaning it will be 3.6v until a few puffs before it cuts out and needs charging again. The 510 is 3.2v, again regulated so it will be a steady 3.2v. 0.4v doesn't sound much difference but it can make all the difference! Here's where to pick them up from: www.ivapour-elixir.co.uk/creator-1.html?cat=121or www.jacvapour.com/I own a pair of Kr808D-1's and a pair of 510s. The Kr808d-1's are superior to the 510 in every way IMHO. You have the choice of automatic or manual. I'd say the manuals are better as you have a better control of vapour production because you can hold the button down for a second or two to warm the cartomiser (the heating element on the ecig) then take a drag. I really do like the automatics though but if you get an automatic you need to be very careful not to get juice into the battery as it will kill it. That said, the newest Kr808D-1 models have a very robust automatic that's better than automatics before them. Though, to be fair, the size of the 650 mah rivas or egos aren't actually that much bigger than either the 510 or Kr808D-1: That is a volt ecig next to a 650mAh ego and as you can see the ego isn't much bigger at all. If you used the ego or riva with just a cartomiser and not with the tank that's on mine it would actually be the same length, if not a little shorter than the volt ecig I'm comparing it to. For your reference, every 100 to 120mAh is roughly equal to one hour of light use of your ecig so you can base the mah rating of the ecigs you look at for their battery life off of that. So in short, Kr808D-1 is better than a 510 for power and battery life and the ego or riva in 650mAh size are actually not as big as you might think so it's worth considering them at least. |
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almost anything that will fit a 510 thread will work with your riva!
I need more ry4!
I mix like a noob 
