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Ahh well, right score, wrong way around... Le fondre is awesome

stats say you've had 15 shots to 4, and 57% possession... Talk about taking their chances well, reading I mean...

How are you not winning this, all over them

Still say 3-1 saints.

Interesting you should say that Gordy, was just about to reply to Roger, having taken his advice and taken a better look at the ECCA. They make some very good points to be honest, and I love the fact they are promoting the idea of regulating manufacturers and maintaining standards, that's all good.

They also raised the point of failure rates on licensed NRT, which I had thought about before, but came to the conclusion that was down to the products they offered being ineffective, maybe there is more to it.

Roger I'm going to join the ECCA through their website, continue to read up, and see what I think from there.

EDIT: well I'll try later

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Looks like they're trying to check the answer to a captcha question, yet there wasn't one on the registration page

Don't worry Bel, it's just that I like this forum, and didn't want to upset anyone with my views, or by debating in public Seems the general consensus is, that it is ok, so that's good enough for me.

Hissie, the point you make about people continuing to smoke despite knowing the risks is a good, one, I should have said that to them.

Although I am afraid by definition of the word...

"1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences"

...It is a fact.

Roger... I think I'd like to get involved with promoting Ecigs, the only problem is, the idea of Ecigs, as a cessation device, seems to be frowned upon by the vaping community, and that's what I'd like to promote them as, because, from my own experience, they work so well.

TBH I think it's best we just leave it, or close the thread, or whatever, because this has clearly turned into a debate between people with very differing opinions, myself included, and that's fair enough, opinions differ, but in fairness to chrissie, perps, gordy and the rest of the team here, this isn't that type of forum.

I don't need to refer to anything, we're talking about quitting smoking here, let's cut the jargon and look at the plain and simple fact that quitting smoking and quitting nicotine are 2 different things. Quitting smoking is to quit inhaling smoke, the tar, carcinogens, and other harmful chemicals in smoke. Quitting nicotine is the next step.

Whether it is licensed or not doesn't IMO affect whether something is a cessation device, as I've already said, so the same applies for what it is licensed for, not interested. What matters is how people actually use it, so based on that, Ecigs IMO are an unlicensed smoking cessation device. Still many people remain addicted to gum, inhalers etc, the same applies for ecigs, and will continue to apply whether they are licensed or not.



You know full well what I was talking about, what's to stop me making a juice, in a strength that is legal in this country, then selling it? (BTW it would probably be terrible, I've only just started mixing my own juices, so you can all stop PM'ing me with your orders please )



They may well apply, it doesn't stop unsafe mods and general hardware being made and sold, both with and without that marking, see my charger thread for an example.




I've seen what intellicig are doing, I think it's fantastic tbh. Like I said, that was just a matter of opinion, I have no idea what 'colours' licensed ecigs will be available in. My point still stands though, once they are more widely known to the public, anyone will be able to tell the difference, and so occurrences of mistaken identity will be far less frequent.



I agree this may be an obstacle, we don't really know yet. However did you know that on the NHS quit smoking programme, if you say that patches, or whatever option you choose, aren't enough for you, they allow you to have a second NRT option on the go at the same time?



We seem to agree there, as in, who cares what they think? And I agree that you should be allowed to use your chosen nicotine delivery mechanism recreationally. But there is no reason you will not be able to should it be licensed. If you're willing to pay for it, and not have it prescribed, just like with other NRT, you will either be able to get it over here for a little more, with less choice, or import it. Whilst those wanting to quit smoking will have access to it, on prescription, with low risks, it's a win win IMO.