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Post by alvoram on Apr 11, 2012 23:15:23 GMT
I just read this interesting piece, thought I'd share it, interesting because some vaping sites label IMR batteries as safer chemistry, and as a bit of a noob, I took that to mean that they were actually safer, when in fact, if you have a charger that doesn't over charge, they are apparently no safer at all... Have a read see what you think, have I misinterpreted it? www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?325456-What-exactly-does-quot-IMR-quot-mean
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Post by Perpetua on Apr 12, 2012 20:16:43 GMT
I'll have to believe you Alvo . . . all that technical info would fry my brain reading it . . . and I'd still be no wiser. I do however believe, that any battery ( for anything ) charged in an unsafe manner, has the potential to be dangerous.
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Post by alvoram on Apr 12, 2012 21:48:45 GMT
He actually explains it in really simple terms perps, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to understand it... lol
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Post by Karma on Apr 12, 2012 21:52:06 GMT
He actually explains it in really simple terms perps, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to understand it... lol Could you just explain it then, in simple consise terms, please?
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Post by alvoram on Apr 12, 2012 21:59:49 GMT
The main reason IMR are thought of as safer, is because in it's pure form, they can't be overcharged, but they're very rarely pure, so can still be overcharged. The reason is that pure IMR's have poor cycle lives, so they mix nickel in... "This means that these cells can in fact be overcharged, thus minimizing the perceived safety advantage of the cell."
I'm not sure of the implications of this, or how reliable the information is, which is why I posted it here, in the hope that someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, or set me straight.
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Post by Perpetua on Apr 12, 2012 22:23:26 GMT
I'm not sure of the implications of this, or how reliable the information is, which is why I posted it here, in the hope that someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, or set me straight. We'll wait for that wise being to materialise then Alvo.
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Post by Karma on Apr 12, 2012 22:25:06 GMT
I'm not sure of the implications of this, or how reliable the information is, which is why I posted it here, in the hope that someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, or set me straight. We'll wait for that wise being to materialise then Alvo. Tis me, be careful with batteries
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Post by hifistud on Apr 13, 2012 10:19:48 GMT
The main reason IMR are thought of as safer, is because in it's pure form, they can't be overcharged, but they're very rarely pure, so can still be overcharged. The reason is that pure IMR's have poor cycle lives, so they mix nickel in... "This means that these cells can in fact be overcharged, thus minimizing the perceived safety advantage of the cell." I'm not sure of the implications of this, or how reliable the information is, which is why I posted it here, in the hope that someone more knowledgeable could confirm this, or set me straight. Overcharging isn't the be all and end all. As we've shown multiple times on VTTV, the enemy is the direct short and consequent thermal runaway. In IMR, the reaction is slower and less energetic - more "controlled" than with an ICR which will vent violently when pushed to overload. An IMR is far less violent IF it can be pushed into thermal runaway - and so far, we have not been able to get an IMR - even a poor one - to go thermal. So yes, IMRs are, generally speaking, safer all round than ICR. It's worth reading the battery university articles on the various types - the information there is very accurate.
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Post by alvoram on Apr 13, 2012 11:59:28 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up hifi, glad to hear it. I will give the battery universe articles a read tonight. Got to be honest I was a bit shocked that this chap was basically calling most battery retailers liars.
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Post by vereybowring on Apr 13, 2012 13:57:04 GMT
From my quick read of it they are basically saying IMR's are not as safe as some would have us believe. This is true, no battery of any chemistry is completely safe. IMR's are safer than ICR's which is why they are better for us as long as you use a decent charger.
For me battery safety always comes down to; Charge correctly using a reliable charger designed for the battery type (the better chargers will refuse to charge a knackered battery). Use correctly and avoid shorts. Do not cause physical trauma to the battery, this includes damage to the covering plastic. Store unused batteries so they cannot short out or get wet etc. Regularly check your batteries by looking at them to see signs of physical wear and check voltage after charging. If the battery starts to behave differently from normal, dispose of safely.
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Post by alvoram on Apr 13, 2012 14:49:48 GMT
Is it normal for my 18650 batteries to be making a slight noise while charging... I haven't noticed before now, because the house is never quiet. But I have one on charge now and it's making a slight sound, do I need to take it off charge... You have to put your head within 10 cm to hear it btw.
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Post by hifistud on Apr 13, 2012 15:23:20 GMT
Is it normal for my 18650 batteries to be making a slight noise while charging... I haven't noticed before now, because the house is never quiet. But I have one on charge now and it's making a slight sound, do I need to take it off charge... You have to put your head within 10 cm to hear it btw. is it the battery or the charger? which charger? There should ideally be no noise at all - and if it is the battery, get it out of there sharpish!
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Post by 2risky on Apr 13, 2012 16:12:31 GMT
My TR001 charger makes a high-pitched noise for the first ten minutes of charging or so, something to do with the transformer I understand.
I did look it up to see if it was dangerous and apparently it's common with this model and not something to worry about.
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Post by Perpetua on Apr 13, 2012 16:22:21 GMT
I wouldn't be happy with that I must confess 2Risky . . . have had a couple of TR-001's and they've never made any noise at all.
Read elsewhere today of folk taking the covering off their batteries to get them to fit into a tube mod, that alarmed me a bit as the covering is there for a reason.
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Post by vereybowring on Apr 13, 2012 16:35:21 GMT
I wouldn't be happy with that I must confess 2Risky . . . have had a couple of TR-001's and they've never made any noise at all. Read elsewhere today of folk taking the covering off their batteries to get them to fit into a tube mod, that alarmed me a bit as the covering is there for a reason. Indeed, a battery without its insulated cover is a battery that should be safely disposed of and not used at all. The idiocy of the human race in general never ceases to annoy me. Bet its the sort of person who will blame the manufacturer if anything goes wrong too.
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