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Wow you need sleep, lol....

No smoking cessation means smoking cessation, you can't change the meaning of a term to suit your end of a debate. Even so I said it was a smoking cessation device, just like nicotine gum, inhalers, patches etc. People often carry on using these devices, way past the recommended amount of time, doesn't stop them being classed as smoking cessation devices.

E-juice is not regulated at all, it's packaging is, there is nothing to stop me buying the ingredients now, mixing my own juice, and selling it to people, so long as it has all the right markings on the packaging. That is not a regulated product. The same goes for mods, nothing stops me building a mod now, and selling it, no matter how safe it may or may not be. This also explains my reasoning behind number 2, and why I say it's a matter of trust. Clearly there are large manufacturers, and small ones, I am not going to name names, because personally, I actually trust most of them. But there is a huge difference between a big manufacturer in china, or the UK for that matter, and say, me, making and selling juice, anyone who purchased my juice would be putting trust in me.

Your response to it being more widely accepted seems to assume that they will be white sticks with red led's if licensed, so not sure what to say to that to be honest. But whatever they are, if they were licensed, everybody would know what they were, which would reduce cases of people mistaking them for cigarettes. Although personally I don't think they'll go for the red led white stick combo.... I could be wrong.

There are elderly and disabled people (and jobless people, but we wont go there) out there, on benefits, who currently smoke cheap rolling tobacco, imports, which can be picked up for less than a fiver for 50g, which lasts most smokers longer than a week, even at your very generous £1 a day, that would make ecigs considerably more expensive. Prescriptions are free for most of this group of people. Just as there are for people like us, who work minimum wage jobs, and are entitled to NHS tax credit exemption certificates

As you pointed out yourself, nicotine is classed as harmless. Just like earlier on, your stating that quitting smoking and quitting nicotine are the same thing. They are not the same thing. I have quit smoking, I no longer inhale smoke, and all it's nasty contents, I do however still inhale nicotine, it's that simple.

Well they are clearly being used as cessation devices by many, and IMO that makes them so, whether they're currently licensed as such or not.

there are just as many reason why it would be a good thing IMO, which is why I am not sure what to think.

1. As I said, it would help more people, by helping those unwilling to trust an unlicensed, unregulated product. And despite what you may think about it not being a cessation device, IMO if a product can save lives, the more it can save, the better.

2. It would mean quality is assured. At the minute whenever we buy liquid, we are putting our trust in the mixer, we don't know what safety procedures they have in place, or what is actually going into the product, as the industry is unregulated. I must make it clear however, that I trust most UK suppliers out there at the minute, but that may not always be the case, and quite rightly so.

3. It would be more widely accepted, I've not heard of any pub chains banning nicorette inhalers, for example.

4. It would be available on prescription. There are people out there who smoke cheap tobacco, that can't afford Ecigs, if they were available on prescription, most people who fall into this bracket would have access to them free of charge.

Also, I could be wrong about this, but I believe it's just prescription only medications (schedule 4i and below) that you can't import without a license, no other NRT falls into this category, so I have no reason to believe Ecigs would either, meaning you could still buy them from elsewhere if you chose to.

I, like many others, started vaping out of curiosity, and to see if I could cut down, but ended up quitting as it was so easy, as I said before, anything that could help other smokers realise the same is only a good thing IMO. I know I'm probably on my own here, and I have my hard hat on

The minute doctors start promoting it, then it will have to be licensed and tested for medical purposes. Not sure if this is a good thing or not.

I do that all the time Brian, I know the difference between they're, their and there... But I'm just too lazy... Afterall, it's not the sort of mistake that makes posts unreadable, the reader knows what I mean. Often, they don't even notice.

He actually explains it in really simple terms perps, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to understand it... lol

Here, this might help...



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