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Post by tim on Apr 11, 2015 2:00:05 GMT
Thanks VapingBad Same watts between different coils ... thanks for nice clear explanation. Might I have hit a bad coil? that would be odd for that to happen with Kanger? This one really does taste a bit 'off', and I can't imagine I got vaper's tongue the second I swapped coils, lol. Testing the 1.2 back in just now, although not sure if that one had burnt out (such a newb). I have just read thatguy's post and I am not a sub-tank owner he has pointed out the wattage the various coil options are optimised to. This is want I was meaning by the physical size making a difference and while what I said is correct in the general sense. The higher power/lower ohms ones suite a fuller/faster lung inhale style of vaping which needs more heating power, what I wrote applies if you inhaled at a reasonable consistent rate. Making this sound more complicated, but watts are just heating power, bigger coils (lower ohms) on the sub tank are optimised for faster lung inhales, smaller (higher ohms) for more normal mouth to lung inhales. Don't worry too much the general rule is start with the watts lowish and increase to taste. A coil can be built to any ohms you wish. It only needs to be matched to the watts. Whatever you want can be made. Edit: Battery permitting. That's a different issue. Be safe
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 2:06:16 GMT
Thanks tim The guide is great; I followed up until part way through, then my brain vapourised lol. One day ... in the meantime, it's great that I can ask here. Thank you very much. I've just ordered some 1.2's from myetech, and am using the old 1.2 I'd removed, at 34w, same as yesterday, as that tastes better than the 0.5 while I'm waiting for the myetech order. Maybe the 1.2's on the way out a bit; about 10 days I think. Definitely prefer the 1.2 warmer richer flavour.
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 2:15:39 GMT
Thanks VapingBad Same watts between different coils ... thanks for nice clear explanation. Might I have hit a bad coil? that would be odd for that to happen with Kanger? This one really does taste a bit 'off', and I can't imagine I got vaper's tongue the second I swapped coils, lol. Testing the 1.2 back in just now, although not sure if that one had burnt out (such a newb). I have just read thatguy's post and I am not a sub-tank owner he has pointed out the wattage the various coil options are optimised to. This is want I was meaning by the physical size making a difference and while what I said is correct in the general sense. The higher power/lower ohms ones suite a fuller/faster lung inhale style of vaping which needs more heating power, what I wrote applies if you inhaled at a reasonable consistent rate. Making this sound more complicated, but watts are just heating power, bigger coils (lower ohms) on the sub tank are optimised for faster lung inhales, smaller (higher ohms) for more normal mouth to lung inhales. Don't worry too much the general rule is start with the watts lowish and increase to taste. Thanks VapingBad Have put the (possibly failing after 10 days) 1.5 back in [total newb so am unsure if 10 days is usual] and the taste is at least better than the 0.5 plus have added 2 drops of concentrate to beef it up. Ordered some 1.2's from myetech. Don't really do lung inhales (yet) ... like the hotter stronger flavour most of all, and that gets my throat/lungs a bit much at the moment. Got the istick 50w for battery length more, as was being driven mad by charging e-cigs every 2 hours, lol. Thanks for explaining.
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Post by VapingBad on Apr 11, 2015 2:16:20 GMT
tim But the matching is because of the physical size and contact area of the coil and not the resistance as such, you can make an x ohm coil in many different sizes by using different diameter wire. A mute point when kittyvape just has stock coils to choose from and I have probably only muddied the waters in this thread. You don't match watts to ohms, you match coils size, wicking and airflow to watts. The fowling has nothing to do with stock sub tank coils just rebuildable coils: Take a 2 mm wick and a target resistance of 1 ohm and you can make your Kanthal coil in all these ways (E: I have added the optimum watts at the end of each line) 1 wrap of 0.113 mm (37 AWG) < 1 W 2 wraps of 0.16 mm (34 AWG) 1.4 W 3 wraps of 0.202 mm (32 AWG) 3 W 4 wraps of 0.24 mm 4 W 5 wraps of 0.272 mm 6 W 6 wraps of 0.3 mm 8 W 7 wraps of 0.329 mm 10 W ... 14 wraps of 0.493 mm 30 W ... 43 wraps of 1 mm 300 W most of them very silly and you just wouldn't, but all are 1 ohm.
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 2:17:16 GMT
I have just read thatguy's post and I am not a sub-tank owner he has pointed out the wattage the various coil options are optimised to. This is want I was meaning by the physical size making a difference and while what I said is correct in the general sense. The higher power/lower ohms ones suite a fuller/faster lung inhale style of vaping which needs more heating power, what I wrote applies if you inhaled at a reasonable consistent rate. Making this sound more complicated, but watts are just heating power, bigger coils (lower ohms) on the sub tank are optimised for faster lung inhales, smaller (higher ohms) for more normal mouth to lung inhales. Don't worry too much the general rule is start with the watts lowish and increase to taste. A coil can be built to any ohms you wish. It only needs to be matched to the watts. Whatever you want can be made. Edit: Battery permitting. That's a different issue. Be safe
Thanks tim That's great. Glad the iStick does the decisions, lol, as being such a newb I'd not let myself loose near anything needing instructions.
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Post by spacey on Apr 11, 2015 5:10:53 GMT
What flavours Kitty? Aniseed and menthol hang on. Thanks tim Various stronger fruits mainly eg blueberry, sasparella I can still smell after washing. My own first mix is boston mud pie and that seems okay [but is the one that's dropped in flavour as soon as I switched to 0.5 coil), but did a couple of new mixes today (double chocolate mint, and cinnamon coffee cake, all Capella) and keep getting 'off' tastes in the 2 Aerotanks. (Was trying not to have to empty out the Nano just yet.) Thanks for the clear explanation. So with the 0.5 I would be needing to switch the watts down anyway? But it should be the same strong flavour? Sorry, in some areas get a total brain-tizzy, lol. Hi kittyvape This may or may not be a contributing factor, but if you only made the new mixes today they could well be tasting 'off' as not had any steeping time. Go back to them in a week and see if they taste any better
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Post by Perpetua on Apr 11, 2015 6:03:27 GMT
Warm soapy water dip, dry, leave is what everyone mainly does? I don't bother doing anything between flavour changes . . . just vape through them kittyvape. An overnight soak in some Bicarbonate of Soda is a better way to clean heads - although strong flavours are better in a dedicated tank, as has been said. 306 drippers are a good way of testing new flavours: www.vapingthings.com/306_BRIDGED__BRIDGELESS_DRIPPING_ATOMISER/p1311952_7045908.aspxYou'll just need a 306 specific drip tip: www.vapingthings.com/306_DRIP_TIPS/cat1311953_1614574.aspx My own first mix is boston mud pie and that seems okay [but is the one that's dropped in flavour as soon as I switched to 0.5 coil), but did a couple of new mixes today (double chocolate mint, and cinnamon coffee cake, all Capella) and keep getting 'off' tastes in the 2 Aerotanks. As spacey has said, unless you give your mixes some time to steep . . . then they aren't going to taste very nice in anything that you use. If you'll forgive me saying, you're trying to do too much, to quickly - without having quite got to grips with what you're doing. Take your time a little more maybe?
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Post by bluemagnum on Apr 11, 2015 7:20:24 GMT
Kitty, as you have ordered some new coils for your nano and sound like you are going to get into rebuilding at some stage, I would (if you can afford it) get a SUBTANK mini. The mini comes with a rebuildable deck. It's the easiest rebuildable I've ever used and far easier than rebuilding the stock coils. With a good coil in it, you can swap and change flavours easily by just changing the wick and giving the coil a quick dry burn.
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Post by igual on Apr 11, 2015 8:37:47 GMT
tim But the matching is because of the physical size and contact area of the coil and not the resistance as such, you can make an x ohm coil in many different sizes by using different diameter wire. A mute point when kittyvape just has stock coils to choose from and I have probably only muddied the waters in this thread. You don't match watts to ohms, you match coils size, wicking and airflow to watts. The fowling has nothing to do with stock sub tank coils just rebuildable coils: Take a 2 mm wick and a target resistance of 1 ohm and you can make your Kanthal coil in all these ways (E: I have added the optimum watts at the end of each line) 1 wrap of 0.113 mm (37 AWG) < 1 W 2 wraps of 0.16 mm (34 AWG) 1.4 W 3 wraps of 0.202 mm (32 AWG) 3 W 4 wraps of 0.24 mm 4 W 5 wraps of 0.272 mm 6 W 6 wraps of 0.3 mm 8 W 7 wraps of 0.329 mm 10 W ... 14 wraps of 0.493 mm 30 W ... 43 wraps of 1 mm 300 W most of them very silly and you just wouldn't, but all are 1 ohm. What do you mean silly????? My kayfun is coiled with 40 wraps of 1 mm gives a really good vape for the nanosecond before the fuse at the power station in Somerset trips Kitty many members use bicarb mixed with water to de flavour tanks,denture tablets and Milton mixed up work quite well . But you will never totally de smell them particularly from a really strong menthol,mint
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 9:16:46 GMT
Thanks tim Various stronger fruits mainly eg blueberry, sasparella I can still smell after washing. My own first mix is boston mud pie and that seems okay [but is the one that's dropped in flavour as soon as I switched to 0.5 coil), but did a couple of new mixes today (double chocolate mint, and cinnamon coffee cake, all Capella) and keep getting 'off' tastes in the 2 Aerotanks. (Was trying not to have to empty out the Nano just yet.) Thanks for the clear explanation. So with the 0.5 I would be needing to switch the watts down anyway? But it should be the same strong flavour? Sorry, in some areas get a total brain-tizzy, lol. Hi kittyvape This may or may not be a contributing factor, but if you only made the new mixes today they could well be tasting 'off' as not had any steeping time. Go back to them in a week and see if they taste any better Thanks spacey You could well be right, eek. With the first mix (boston mud pie) tasting so great immediately, I'd just powered on with 2 more flavours. I'd even been wondering if my PG, VG, nic had gone off, lol, as it's been roasting the last couple of days. Heaters off now. Can't be good for juices/PG etc to be in a really hot room. Note to self; slow down!
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Post by chykensa on Apr 11, 2015 9:23:32 GMT
Ideally kittyvape you need to store all vaping liquids, juice and mixing ingredients, in a cool dark place out of the light. Nicotine base in particular will degrade over time, but this is years not days, and generally the other ingredients fare better stored in a cool place. I keep my concentrates in a plastic box under the bed, and my bases in a plastic tub in the bottom of the wardrobe. Mint and fruit flavours will be good to vape after a week or so of steeping, more complex dessert flavours like custards etc. need at least a month and ideally longer before they are really ready to vape.
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 9:24:07 GMT
Warm soapy water dip, dry, leave is what everyone mainly does? I don't bother doing anything between flavour changes . . . just vape through them kittyvape. An overnight soak in some Bicarbonate of Soda is a better way to clean heads - although strong flavours are better in a dedicated tank, as has been said. 306 drippers are a good way of testing new flavours: www.vapingthings.com/306_BRIDGED__BRIDGELESS_DRIPPING_ATOMISER/p1311952_7045908.aspxYou'll just need a 306 specific drip tip: www.vapingthings.com/306_DRIP_TIPS/cat1311953_1614574.aspx My own first mix is boston mud pie and that seems okay [but is the one that's dropped in flavour as soon as I switched to 0.5 coil), but did a couple of new mixes today (double chocolate mint, and cinnamon coffee cake, all Capella) and keep getting 'off' tastes in the 2 Aerotanks. As spacey has said, unless you give your mixes some time to steep . . . then they aren't going to taste very nice in anything that you use. If you'll forgive me saying, you're trying to do too much, to quickly - without having quite got to grips with what you're doing. Take your time a little more maybe? Thanks Perpetua No worries ... wise words; I really should take my time more. A mixture of excited and adapting from 'just lighting up', lol. I've noted the Milton and bicarb at Tesco; the Milton sounds particularly good. The 306 dripper and tip sound really good; are they 510 thread, and which choices should I select (for iStick 50w)? Thanks!
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 9:26:47 GMT
Kitty, as you have ordered some new coils for your nano and sound like you are going to get into rebuilding at some stage, I would (if you can afford it) get a SUBTANK mini. The mini comes with a rebuildable deck. It's the easiest rebuildable I've ever used and far easier than rebuilding the stock coils. With a good coil in it, you can swap and change flavours easily by just changing the wick and giving the coil a quick dry burn. Thanks bluemagnum I actually had bookmarked the subtank mini lastnight as next purchase, although for the 4.5 ml reason ... now I realise it also includes ability to easily rebuild, that's a sale. Thanks for advising it. Sounds great to just change wicks per flavour!
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 9:29:15 GMT
Kitty many members use bicarb mixed with water to de flavour tanks,denture tablets and Milton mixed up work quite well . But you will never totally de smell them particularly from a really strong menthol,mint Thanks igual The Milton sounds particularly good; 15 minutes soak is great. Thanks for advice; will make sure keep one tank for the stronger mint/menthol, and that keep similar types together generally.
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Post by kittyvape on Apr 11, 2015 9:54:43 GMT
Ideally @kittyvapeyou need to store all vaping liquids, juice and mixing ingredients, in a cool dark place out of the light. Nicotine base in particular will degrade over time, but this is years not days, and generally the other ingredients fare better stored in a cool place. I keep my concentrates in a plastic box under the bed, and my bases in a plastic tub in the bottom of the wardrobe. Mint and fruit flavours will be good to vape after a week or so of steeping, more complex dessert flavours like custards etc. need at least a month and ideally longer before they are really ready to vape. Thanks chykensa Very relieved to hear the nic etc degrade very slowly. Will definitely start storing things correctly, and thanks for advice about flavours too. Look forward to and (note to self: patient!) steeping Thanks again.
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