tobacco juice PG supplier needed

[ragjoy]

hi perpy,
james drum going ok (no pun intended) at the minute, as with any change it takes getting used too, the trouble with me is i dont try loads of juices.
mainly because i dont like sweet juice or over flavoured juice.
it is like when i smoked i used OH for 20 odd years and if some offered me GV rollie i wouldnt take one, i just like what i get used too, strangely i packed up the fags for around 8 months 6 years or so back, when i started again i went onto GV and stuck with that.
raggy...........

[ragjoy]

Dec 14, 2010 15:58:00 GMT Chrissie said:

Raggy, I think it was poor show that OK didn't let folks know they had changed to VG

Let us know how you get on with James' B&F. Fingers crossed you will be ok

the most annoying thing is he had told me and it is confirmed on his own forum and others that it was 100% pg, now its never been pg.
so either he was misleading (lying) in the past or is misleading (lying) about what it was in the past, both cant be true.
there is no way on earth that if it was 99%vg in the past and now 100%vg that 1%pg could make that much difference.
i would suggest its a totally different product.
and why would the colour change so drastically, in the past it was very light now its very dark (which is what alerted me in the first place, before even trying it).
i have had nothing but a great service from george in the past, but it seems the bigger you get the less you care attitude has taken over.
i am still very peeved off with him and his response on his forum.
raggy.........

[Scylla]

I don't blame you at all, Raggy, it really was bad of George to misinform. Actually, it makes me wonder if he was conscientious about knowing his ingredients ??? I have realised over the years that sellers of all kinds just want to sell anything and don't bother to know their products.

I was the same as you over cigarettes, it took a lot for me to change brands. I ended up on GV and couldn't stomach anything else, but it had taken me about 40 years to be able to smoke rollies.

scylla

[Lilac]

Considering how many peeps react to PG, sellers should make it their business to know whats in the juices they sell....

sheesh....

[ragjoy]

well, it has been a long time getting to the bottom of this.
after getting no answer from george personally (i always have had in the past) and no reply from the office, i again re-brought up the issues again on the OK forum.
this got very heated, because has i could get no response using normals channels and asking several more times after this on the forum i then used an unusual for me quite intimidating tone.
this didnt get me no where either, the thread was locked and i was told to carry out my threats.
well that i thought was that, id tried to play hardball and got nowhere, apart from seriously annoying ant and dale.
then to my surprise i got a call from george.
we then chatted about my issues and my questions were all answered.
the up shot being that it should never have been stated on the OK forum nor to me personally that drum gv or oh were ever made from 100% PG they have never been more than 1% PG and they are now made from 100% VG.
i asked about the total change in flavour and it seems there must be a difference in the amount of flavouring that is now used, i assume to hide the sweetness due to the extra VG.
the reason for these changes is OK cant supply both PG and VG juices.
more and more people want only VG based mixes, so OK had no alternative but too bow to demand.
while none of what george told me actually helps me personally, you now all know what he is selling and why.
i must add george was as in his emails in the past very polite and understanding and this whole situation has made me feel very guilty after i had accused him of lying to people, questioning his integrity and me threatening legal recourse if i got no response from them.
i cant take back what i said and at the time it was how i felt, ie: cheated out of money and felt i was also getting the 2 fingered salute.
george went on to say that he believed there was a breakdown in comms and or cross wires regarding this whole situation not just mine.
so that is the matter closed really, not ideally the ending i would have liked, but the end of it none the less.

raggy..........

[Perpetua]

Well what's done is done Raggy . . . I don't follow the OKS forum so had no idea this was unravelling . . . I'm sure we've all done/said things that we've gone on to regret . . . but I wouldn't dwell on it.

Please do try to put it out of your mind now and get back to enjoying your vaping.

[profbeard]

Raggie - I'm really glad George got back to you - I'd been pushing for him to clarify things for people.

I must say that I haven't noticed great changes in flavours myself, but have noticed some "colour shifts"... I like George - he has always been very good to me and provides good service - it's a shame that this situation arose but conflicting messages were given to the forum admins (is my take).

Having said all that I WISH George would put an ingredients list on his bottles - just for the base liquid if not the flavourings - it would stop this sort of things happening.

I'm using OKS Amber Leaf at the moment and it's the runniest VG I've ever comes across - if George says it's VG I believe him but I lean to it being diluted (with something).

[ragjoy]

Feb 9, 2011 13:15:14 GMT profbeard said:

Raggie - I'm really glad George got back to you - I'd been pushing for him to clarify things for people.

I must say that I haven't noticed great changes in flavours myself, but have noticed some "colour shifts"... I like George - he has always been very good to me and provides good service - it's a shame that this situation arose but conflicting messages were given to the forum admins (is my take).

Having said all that I WISH George would put an ingredients list on his bottles - just for the base liquid if not the flavourings - it would stop this sort of things happening.

I'm using OKS Amber Leaf at the moment and it's the runniest VG I've ever comes across - if George says it's VG I believe him but I lean to it being diluted (with something).

hi prof.
i did mention this 99% or 100%VG talk, and i said it cant be either as the juice is far too runny, george explained that this dont mean the mix is 100%VG, it could mean 30% water 10% colour 5% NIC and 55%VG OR 70% nic VG and 20% coloured water and 10% flavouring.
but the glycerine in the mix is 100% VG and contains no PG.
this had also been confusing people (well me anyway).

for me and i can only speak of drum it was as different as different could be.
raggy.........

[Scylla]

Bad news regarding the unpopularity of PG, I too prefer it And bad news that you've been left with a bad feeling, Raggy, but you were pushed by bad customer service at OKS - unusual but it happened. The only thing that would have stopped me blowing my top like you did is "timidity"

scylla x

[ragjoy]

Feb 9, 2011 16:50:26 GMT Scylla said:

Bad news regarding the unpopularity of PG, I too prefer it And bad news that you've been left with a bad feeling, Raggy, but you were pushed by bad customer service at OKS - unusual but it happened. The only thing that would have stopped me blowing my top like you did is "timidity"

scylla x

TIM IDIOTY does he work for OKs CS.........

to be honest now ive spoke to george ive GOT OVER IT as they say.
so im not really left with a bad feeling, just disappointed i can no longer get me fav juice.
raggy...........

[chadaus]

www.heaven-gifts.com/ ???

they sell eliquid

[Chrissie]

Feb 10, 2011 5:08:55 GMT chadaus said:

www.heaven-gifts.com/ ???

they sell eliquid

Hello & welcome Chadus

Have you bought from heaven-gifts? If so can you recommend them? I have heard of them but can't remember if anyone here has bought from them or not - hence why they aren't yet on our list of recommended suppliers
Edit, I've just checked out your IP addie & guessing you may be affiliated with them? If so, you are welcome to promote them in the suppliers section but not elsewhere on the forum.



Raggy, I'm off to find Tetsab's post as she was sent a list of the ingredients in OKSmokey's juices & I'm sure it doesn't tie in with what you have just heard from George.

[Chrissie]

Here you go Raggy

"I was talking with Jasmin at OKS recently and she mentioned having an ingredient list and kindly sent me a copy.

It proved to be for the Marlboro flavour and shows PG> 55%, Glycerol (VG) <30%, Pure Water <4%. This, combined with the fact that some liquids now appear thicker (to me) and produce pretty dense vapour, makes me suspect that juices which I'd assumed were principally PG may well contain more VG than they used to."

The above is C&P'd from Tetsab's post #44 on the following thread : -

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1352&page=3

[ragjoy]

Feb 10, 2011 11:11:53 GMT Chrissie said:

Here you go Raggy

"I was talking with Jasmin at OKS recently and she mentioned having an ingredient list and kindly sent me a copy.

It proved to be for the Marlboro flavour and shows PG> 55%, Glycerol (VG) <30%, Pure Water <4%. This, combined with the fact that some liquids now appear thicker (to me) and produce pretty dense vapour, makes me suspect that juices which I'd assumed were principally PG may well contain more VG than they used to."

The above is C&P'd from Tetsab's post #44 on the following thread : -

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1352&page=3

thank chrissie,
none of this really adds up does it.
i give up really, i can only state what george told me and what was written on there forum.
there is no PG in any of there juices anymore.
the thing is you cant call something, lets call it gunk.
its a PG mix you sell it for a year then take away the PG and swap it for VG and still call it gunk.
it is now a totally different product, you could call gunk VG i suppose.
that was my issue i bought a mix i believed to be a PG mix, ok maybe it wasnt PG but that dont matter i bought what i like because i like it and it dont give me problems, to then change it by colour flavour and VG content is what my issue was, you have to tell people at the very least so has to give them the option of buying it or not.
this new info just muddies it all again really.
raggy...


ive found the problem!!!!!!!!!!

[Chrissie]

I completely agree with you Raggy. Not sure if you saw on a further post on that thread that Tetsab received that list of ingredients on 20th January!

ROFL Raggy, I've just seen your edit