£8 for DID GENESIS ATTY, OKAY PRICE?

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Nov 27, 2012 18:27:48 GMT Mev said:

More expensive doesn't always mean better quality though does it ? just look at Macbook's lol

I'll agree with you on that one , but not with AGA's -V- DID's, Penny's, etc.

[apostle51]

I have a genuine Bulli, I also have the A7 and the clone of the Bulli, and they function exactly the same. I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

unless of course it's just a genny thing now...

[Mev]

I've a couple of Chinese atty's and they are cheaply made and it's noticeable but personally I think the aga-t is the exception and honestly don't think there is a genesis atty any better really. There's not much to them really is there ? Once we have the glass tanks and ss posts that is anyway.

[skipraider]

Nov 27, 2012 18:23:30 GMT Roger said:

Nov 27, 2012 18:12:15 GMT skipraider said:

I've got one of these coming in about a week (ordered 2 weeks ago).
www.chinabuye.com/ego-m2-1-2ml-capacity-detachable-stainless-steel-electronic-cigarette-atomizer

They have 4 different models now, some even cheaper.

I'll report back on the quality.
Cheap though for $6.27 delivered!

The one you linked to, is a dripping atty, same as the VH dripper and others that are in common use, not a genesis type clone.

Sorry about that, rushed in there without due diligence :-[
Only trying to help, too enthusiastic

[Roger]

Nov 27, 2012 18:41:22 GMT skipraider said:

Nov 27, 2012 18:23:30 GMT Roger said:

The one you linked to, is a dripping atty, same as the VH dripper and others that are in common use, not a genesis type clone.

Sorry about that, rushed in there without due diligence :-[
Only trying to help, too enthusiastic

It's not a problem, I just wanted to make sure you knew what is was you are getting.

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Nov 27, 2012 18:38:41 GMT apostle51 said:

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. ...

Fair enough.... that's up to you my friend. Enjoy what you have!

[maccafan]

Nov 27, 2012 17:56:34 GMT blakey said:

The difference is like a vivi nova to a penelope, they both have exactly the same wick and wire but...........

That's hardly a fair comparison. The coil and wick arrangement is hardly similar.

The Penelope with it's mid-bottom big coil ceramic nest and ability to hold thicker wicks should give out more flavour and vapour simply because of it's ability to vapourise more juice and the ceramic in which it rests. A fairer comparison would be the bottom coil Kayfun ES3 vs Penelope. Many people who own both have said the Kayfun is far far better than the Penelope. So how many people who own only a Penelope think that is the case.

I don't think there are any Chinese £5.00 clearos which quite have the same kind of arrangement. Maybe the Grande with it's four wick arrangement came close and the current Hyper T has similar but not the same arrangement.

With regards Genesis atomisers, I am really not sure that a similar arrangement with a coil around a stainless steel mesh is going to be all that different between atomisers. I have used the original mini- DID, admittedly not extensively, but for a couple of days (borrowed from friend), and the 16 mm Chinese genesis a.k.a DUD and I honestly did not find any difference. Maybe more sensitive palates than mine can make out a difference but I honestly didn't. I personally think it's more perception than reality at this point but there is no way I am spending £70- £100+ on a atomizer unless I find that the ones I have don't do it for me anymore and I am tempted to go and have a fag.

[blakey]

The kayfun is a high end attie as is the penelope so that's far from a fair comparison either, My point although admittedly exaggerated was more attune to high price high end mods vs cheap Chinese clones.
The kayfun looks to outperform the penelope on all levels, I don't know- I don't have one and nor am I likely to at that price
The DiD I was referring to was the full size and not the mini.

[maccafan]

I don't know why you would say that comparing a Kayfun with a Penelope is not fair..

As far as I can see, they are both very similar in how they go together, the placement of the coil and the vapour tube to the top cap, juice control and variable airflow though the bottom of the coil. Only difference as far as I can see is the no res-res arrangement of the penelope with the ceramic nest vs the rebuildable dripper like coil arrangement on the kayfun and extra tank options.

[blakey]

Nov 27, 2012 20:38:54 GMT maccafan said:

I don't know why you would say that comparing a Kayfun with a Penelope is not fair..

As far as I can see, they are both very similar in how they go together, the placement of the coil and the vapour tube to the top cap, juice control and variable airflow though the bottom of the coil. Only difference as far as I can see is the no res-res arrangement of the penelope with the ceramic nest vs the rebuildable dripper like coil arrangement on the kayfun and extra tank options.

For the same reason I wasn't comparing a DiD to a Hellfire.

The point was cheap clones vs the real thing.
As I said, it was an exaggerated comment to ephasise a point.

And I'm still not paying that much for a kayfun

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Well Macca, Don't get me wrong, there is a place for both....

The way I see it, It’s all down to preference, and for some cost will dictate... However, I feel that as I have both the AGA-T (had three sold two, kept one for testing juices in cheaper clones) and I have 5 full size DIDs (sold 0).... I can make an informed comparison by evaluation.

What is the difference between the two….. For me it is easy to see, feel and taste the difference, All the following are reasons why, for me, a DID is superior.

Quality of components
Quality of materials used
Quality of workmanship
Better Design and functionality
Less problematic
Closer Critical tolerances across the product

This results in much better and consistent production of flavour and vape (and not just marginally so), even when using the exact same wick and coil setups.

The enhanced quality of Vape I get from a DID does it for me, every time. Tie my hands and blindfold me, and I will pick out the Vape from a DID 100% of the time.

Scoring as a result of the above would be… 6/10 for the AGA-T, and 10/10 for the DID.

Having said all that, there is still a place for the AGA-T, it is cheap and cheerful, but not as bad as some clones out there, it will introduce many to Genesis style atties, and give them a grounding in wick and coils, it won’t hurt so much when you drop or lose it…. And when set up correctly, it does produce a "passable" vape.

But, it will never preform like a DID.

The reasons are also technical and come from well thought out design, and good manufacturing, for example the shape of the collecting chamber directing a smoth airflow, the length and space of the centre post from tip to top cap. The distance from wick to centre post, the vortex airflow design, and I am sure many other things.

So, for this comparison, and in this instance, In my opinion, I would say, you definitely get what you pay for.

For clarity, let me say again.... I am not knocking the AGA-T.... It is good for what it is and the price asked.... But, would I buy another AGA-T…. No I don’t think so, Would I buy another DID…. Every time.

[Mev]

for me there's 3 things that let down the Aga-T slightly, center post not being SS, knurling I do not like (personal preference) and it's use of a poly tank and not glass. All three can be changed easily and then it's on par with the Did, Cobra or any similar atty imo @ 1/3 the price.

[Skwoddy]

+3 for the did, it was my first foray into genesis, whilst I had a few teething problems (the norm for first timers), I can do a new wick and coil in less than 10 mins now, just a coil around 3-4 mins, at 1.5 ohms they literally are amazing, my best genesis.

Aiming for a short did next for a little stealth.

[maccafan]

I somehow doubt that it is going to do anything for me..I have tried the Cobra and the mini-DID but haven't found any difference in the vape from one top coil genesis to another once they are properly setup. Maybe it's because I only vape flue cured and RY4 or because my palate is not that sensitive to flavour changes.

From a technical viewpoint a consistent vape is down to wicking, the coil structure and the battery/device rather than any of those factors you have listed.

I have heard a lot of people mention Vortex airflow etc etc, and I personally think it's marketing rubbish.. It right up there with U wicks, well almost. U wicks do wick better obviously but is it really needed? I don't think so unless you cane the wick and you chain vape.

I truly fail to see what a vortex will do to the vape. And if anyone wants to create a true vortex, drill two holes diametrically opposite each other at different heights on the top cap and line up the lower hole with the coil. That will produce a true vortex. I have tried it in a grande plastic tank and it works. Did nothing for the vape though..

Edit to add: The difference you are finding is more likely due to the size of the airhole in the cap. The DID is 1.2 mm and the AGA-T is 1 mm.. Open it out to 1.2 mm and try it.

[robby]

Really finding all this technical stuff soooo interesting.