North East vaper dies

[AndnAnge]

I posted...if I was a supplier I would start putting the Ingredients on the bottles now, just to cover myself .....

I may have thought it and not posted it....damn stupid brain . Age oh age

[Chrissie]

Mar 28, 2011 21:41:34 GMT Perpetua said:

The fact that Perfectionist's post still remains is testament to that And.

And, Perpy is right. I'm really against deleting anyone's posts apart from outright spamming or really vile language.

Perpy I'm going to leave Pefectionists post on the MHRA thread for a while as once again I believe he is entitled to his opinion (even though I don't agree with them) but as his opinions are always disruptive, I'll move it to the thread I created for his OT posts in the Archive - sorry to go OT btw


Jaki, I also can't understand why the heck they couldn't have analysed the oil etc.

[Chrissie]

Mar 28, 2011 21:50:39 GMT AndnAnge said:

I posted...if I was a supplier I would start putting the Ingredients on the bottles now, just to cover myself .....

I may have thought it and not posted it....damn stupid brain . Age oh age

(((And))) it could have been the board playing up & not you

Bu please feel reassured, we would never delete a post like that

[ian]

Fair point Jaki.Its just frustrating that ciggys are filled with all that poison and all we want to do is vape our nicotine juice.We have managed to choose vaping,many other people in the past did not have that luxury of choice.I watched my grandad die a terrible death(lung cancer)which was all down to smoking.E-cigs were not around then to save his life.HOWEVER,my dad had a heart attack due to smoking, and has been on e-cigs for a year now and he is much healthier and alot better.I think that is testament to what vaping can do,i think its a modern miracle and certainly should not come under fire from arse holes like the BBC.I do agree though that smokers and vapers need each other and we should stick together.

[mrlimbo]

I think we should start to worry , when/if a vaper dies from vaping !

Ive always thought smoking has been used as a massive scapegoat/smokescreen for our chemical overdosed World , its taken all the blame , whereas everything we touch,breath,eat,wear ect is a chemical dictionary , but it is all safe and harmless !!!!

Sure Mr Smoke kills many , but he doesnt fire all the bullets !!!

[jaki]

Mar 28, 2011 21:53:28 GMT Chrissie said:

The fact that Perfectionist's post still remains is testament to that And.

That is my cue not to look at that thread isn't it Chrissie? I will have no trouble resisting.

[ian]

I know there is a risk with all things in life BUT recreational nicotine and a few flavourings is a far better choice than 20 Benson in my book.Atleast you are avoiding the tar and thousands of other nasties in tobacco.I am not worried now, after the comments everyone has made and after reading Katherines response to this BBC shambles.I feel its just a major dig at e-cigs which should never have happened.He died last august and was an ill man anyway from what i can see.

[jaki]

You're correct Ian, vaping is a far better option and the article gives a one sided view. However, if we read an article tomorrow stating that e-cigs and juice, in their current state, were 100% safe and everyone should get one, we would be thrilled...... and also aware that the story probably ain't all the truth, as there are no conclusive studies they are 100% safe for long term use, and that a lot of vendors don't list their ingredients, so in all honesty, we are ill advised as to what we are actually inhaling.

This article is, as Perpy put it, stage managed. All the old farts at the MHRA are probably rubbing their hands with glee, thinking this is one more step toward getting one over on us. In some ways it could be a good thing - it reminds us we can't get complacent and must get organised for the next stage.

Kate started the petition around this time last year and we took it to Downing street in June I believe. I wonder what the growth of vapers has been in that period? And an article like this will fire people up for the next battle. So maybe it's not all bad.

[jerryrm]

This definitely sounds suspicious. We have been fighting the same battle on ECF with the FDA and the antis, for almost two years now, since the phony FDA report of July 2009. One of our arguments has been that no one has died from vaping. Now, I fear they will use any excuse to blame deaths on vaping.

There are powerful forces against us, both in the US and now I fear, in the UK, whose motto is "the end justifies the means". The end being profits and power.

[jaki]

Thing is Jerry - the coroner recorded an open verdict, so no-one has died from vaping.

I am quite sure if they could have found a way to come to a 'death by vaping' verdict, they would have done, but they know full well that was not the cause. However, it is an opportunity to scare up some propaganda by trying to show an imaginary correlation.

[jerryrm]

Yes, Jaki, you are right, those opposed to vaping, will run with it. They don't need the truth, just an open door, like they are doing with the "anti-freeze in e-cigs" and "children using e-cigs as a gateway to smoking". Those among other claims are completely untrue, but that doesn't matter to them.
Now they will claim that e-cigs kill. Just don't ask them to show the proof as you will be ignored, at least that's the way it is in the U.S.

[ian]

I never really thought e-cigs could get banned,my attitude has changed for sure after this latest outburst.I always thought people were worrying to much, but now i realise its time to start taking notice.Guess it is a wake up call,for me a well needed one.

[jerryrm]

Ian, many of us in the U.S. have stocked up, just in case.

[jaki]

This is the BBC news article - only available for another 18 hours

It starts at around 7:40

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00zw06x/Look_North_(North_East_and_Cumbria)_28_03_2011/

[jerryrm]

It's not available in my area, Jaki. Very interesting.