*Long* Dizzi's Shopping Musings

[Banky]

True Karma, just another way of the government trying to justify employment figures

[scaffman69]

Jan 30, 2013 20:19:16 GMT addict said:

I don't need statistics to show me that it's mostly people on low incomes who buy clothes in Tesco or shop in pound shops where most of the stuff is produced in low cost economies. And they are the people who have suffered most from outsourcing of jobs. It started with outsourcing manufacturing jobs, then services were too costly so jobs were outsourced to companies paying lower wages, now there's a focus on benefits being too high. Where will it end? All very well putting it down to market forces and progress until it hits your job/income or your children's job prospects.

This paper, particularly the conculsion, written a few years ago by David Ashton from DeMontford University makes interesting reading: www.dmu.ac.uk/Images/3.%20Globalisation%20and%20the%20future%20of%20the%20youth%20labour%20market_tcm6-10999.pdf

Fair enough they cloth themselves with cheaper clothes and buy cheaper food , but what do you expect them to do with pittance, shop local buy a chicken for a tenner from butcher or a fiver from tesco, do you honstly think they wanna wear tesco toe benders, it aint the poor thats wrecked the country for buying cheaper goods from china cusa thats all they can afford, its the rich, remember that its the poor that suffer and take the sharp end of the stick.

[Karma]

Jan 30, 2013 21:10:38 GMT Banky said:

True Karma, just another way of the government trying to justify employment figures

you mean unemployment figures!

Interestingly, it was Mrs Thartcher that encouraged people onto the then Incapacity Benefit, made the unemployment figures look better

Now, the Torys want as many people off sickness benefits and back into work. There's probably even less jobs now, certainly less full time permanent positions

it would be funny if it wasn't so sad for normal people caught up in this mess >

[scaffman69]

It also aint globalisation thats put this country in the shit.

[Karma]

Scaffman, this is a really interesting debate! And, as in any debate, people will have different views.

[scaffman69]

Jan 30, 2013 21:06:44 GMT djs said:

Jan 30, 2013 20:57:08 GMT Karma said:

There are certainly more people employed now in part time/temporary contract jobs

Yes, I believe that is true and is consequently skewing the figures.

29.9 million workers.

2.4 million unemployed.

8.1 million part-time, of which 1.4 million of those are wanting full time work.

Yes they scew with the figures and theirs more part time jobs than ever, fair point.

[addict]

Jan 30, 2013 21:12:46 GMT scaffman69 said:

Fair enough they cloth themselves with cheaper clothes and buy cheaper food , but what do you expect them to do with pittance, shop local buy a chicken for a tenner from butcher or a fiver from tesco, do you honstly think they wanna wear tesco toe benders, it aint the poor thats wrecked the country for buying cheaper goods from china cusa thats all they can afford, its the rich, remember that its the poor that suffer and take the sharp end of the stick.

They're doing no more than I would do in their position but that doesn't change the consequences. I'm certainly not well off and when the value of my my pension diminishes, as it's bound to in time, I'll have to swallow my principles and "cut my cloth to suit my measure". Meanwhile, I try to do my bit to support local businesses.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's the poor who suffer. The future for all of us was probably decided last week by a select group of people in a (smokeless?) room in Davos last week. Unbridled capitalism seems to be just a hard on ordinary folk as unbridled communism. We just can't win.

[robby]

When I win the Lotto I`ll buy you all a Provari ............................................wello, a Vamo anyway.............it would have to be a EuroLottery Rollover win for Provaris

[scaffman69]

Jan 30, 2013 22:10:10 GMT addict said:

Jan 30, 2013 21:12:46 GMT scaffman69 said:

Fair enough they cloth themselves with cheaper clothes and buy cheaper food , but what do you expect them to do with pittance, shop local buy a chicken for a tenner from butcher or a fiver from tesco, do you honstly think they wanna wear tesco toe benders, it aint the poor thats wrecked the country for buying cheaper goods from china cusa thats all they can afford, its the rich, remember that its the poor that suffer and take the sharp end of the stick.

They're doing no more than I would do in their position but that doesn't change the consequences. I'm certainly not well off and when the value of my my pension diminishes, as it's bound to in time, I'll have to swallow my principles and "cut my cloth to suit my measure". Meanwhile, I try to do my bit to support local businesses.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that it's the poor who suffer. The future for all of us was probably decided last week by a select group of people in a (smokeless?) room in Davos last week. Unbridled capitalism seems to be just a hard on ordinary folk as unbridled communism. We just can't win.

Your right we cant win, i could just about make a decent political party out of both the big 2 , id like to think, a liberal lol and look how that shower of shit turned out, but yes aqree with you their.

[Banky]

Jan 30, 2013 21:15:41 GMT Karma said:

Jan 30, 2013 21:10:38 GMT Banky said:

True Karma, just another way of the government trying to justify employment figures

you mean unemployment figures!

Thank you Karma, That's what I meant to say.

Interestingly, it was Mrs Thartcher that encouraged people onto the then Incapacity Benefit, made the unemployment figures look better

Now, the Torys want as many people off sickness benefits and back into work. There's probably even less jobs now, certainly less full time permanent positions

it would be funny if it wasn't so sad for normal people caught up in this mess >