BBC E-cig

[Super-Shiny]

Could not find it on here so i will link it: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21406540

Taken from EECF

[Perpetua]

Caught the piece Rom . . . some positives in it I thought.

[kibbster]

"I would either take them off the shelves or I would very heavily regulate them so that we know the contents of each e-cigarette were very fixed," says Dr Nathanson.

The BMA is worried that the more people start using e-cigarettes the more it will normalise something that looks like smoking. They have called for the ban on smoking in public places to be extended to e-cigarettes.

These people actually call themselves doctors?

Sigh...
Makes me weep at what we call a educated society.

[kibbster]

What I find funny is that none of them have ever visited this forum or any other e-cig forum, then they'd see we are all alive and well and vaping daily to put their minds at rest.
If e-cigs are so dangerous they should be more regulated than tobacco it would be nice for them to come and have a chat with us to show us they care.

Unless of course, if they are just puritans who are hell bent on stamping out "evil" drugs and don't want anything to question their unshakable belief that they are all doing what's best for us.
That might explain why they refuse to have any form of discussion with vapers themselves.

[Perpetua]

Feb 11, 2013 8:18:16 GMT kibbster said:

"I would either take them off the shelves or I would very heavily regulate them so that we know the contents of each e-cigarette were very fixed," says Dr Nathanson.

The BMA is worried that the more people start using e-cigarettes the more it will normalise something that looks like smoking. They have called for the ban on smoking in public places to be extended to e-cigarettes.

These people actually call themselves doctors?

Sigh...
Makes me weep at what we call a educated society.

Typical ignorant attitude, that's doubtless come from zero research into ecigs.

Fortunately, there was also very positive Medical opinion in the piece . . . the BBC could have gone considerably more into some depth, rather than
very briefly skimming the surface. But that's the BBC for you.

[kibbster]

I guess good news doesn't generally "sell" as well as "Danger!!!11" headlines

[Perpetua]

Regrettably I think that's the case with so many ' news ' articles Kibb. 

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My thoughts ... most vendors have an 18+ warning and I think there needs to be a delineation between the online services and the growing shop cigalike business. However these are sold at cigarette counters so can't see why they would be treated differently.

Advertising ... I would quite happily support regulation here - I prefer the whole vaping community to be under the radar but the seal has broken. There should be no glamourisation of the products similar to cigarettes.

As regards nicotine purity, it's not the only content ... most vendors I use, I trust since I know they are users as well. Some form of standard here would be welcome because trust sometimes isn't enough and we all try new sources. Having said that, I trust my vendors juice more than I would a lasagne from Tesco's. I favour self-regulation but realise this is problematic. Over-regulation will lead to increased costs and restrictions. As long as its pharma grade what is the problem? Surely this is a quality control/packaging/hygiene question.

Finally I wished they'd filmed at the Jan LSE meet ... certainly no cigalikes on show and there was a miasma of GVC in the pub - certainly no claims of an odourless vapour

[ragjoy]

if it can be enjoyed, TAX IT or BAN IT.

[jakethevape]

I was listening to Jack FM on the way into work this morning and they had a really crappy view on them......

Its like they cant seem to understand that it is safer than smoking...... They are trying to shun it away because people will become addicted to ecigs rather than smoking.... well I know which I perfer!

[raid2506]

I caught this article 1st thing this morning. I think it was a good attempt at being impartial.

Although it bugs me when people who admit to not knowing or understanding the technology call for it to be 'taken off the shelves or very heavily regulated'.

This sort of talk is coming from the very same profession that claimed train travel could never exceed 30mph or the passengers brains would hemorrhage or they would go insane!

That my friends is what we call ignorance!

Too many people with no real interest in the subject trying to justify their jobs or make a name for themselves.

[smudge]

Saw the piece this morning and thought it fairly even-handed - well other than that ill-informed BMA woman > The most positive thing I could see is that we have the leader of the tobacco advisory group for the RCP in our corner. Hopefully that might count for something.

[kibbster]

Feb 11, 2013 9:29:52 GMT @ashmal said:

My thoughts ... most vendors have an 18+ warning and I think there needs to be a delineation between the online services and the growing shop cigalike business. However these are sold at cigarette counters so can't see why they would be treated differently.

Advertising ... I would quite happily support regulation here - I prefer the whole vaping community to be under the radar but the seal has broken. There should be no glamourisation of the products similar to cigarettes.

As regards nicotine purity, it's not the only content ... most vendors I use, I trust since I know they are users as well. Some form of standard here would be welcome because trust sometimes isn't enough and we all try new sources. Having said that, I trust my vendors juice more than I would a lasagne from Tesco's. I favour self-regulation but realise this is problematic. Over-regulation will lead to increased costs and restrictions. As long as its pharma grade what is the problem? Surely this is a quality control/packaging/hygiene question.

Finally I wished they'd filmed at the Jan LSE meet ... certainly no cigalikes on show and there was a miasma of GVC in the pub - certainly no claims of an odourless vapour

Vendors do say not to sell to under 18s, the same applies to 18 certificate films etc, the vendors online have to take it on faith that we are over 18 when we order.
Considering you need a paypal account or credit card I believe the age for either is 18, that's as good as it can get.
Vendors in shops will have to be as strict as a shop selling normal cigarettes.
Grey area though as they aren't tobacco so shouldn't really come under that regulation and the more we reinforce the minimum age the more we are associated with tobacco users.


As for regulation to ensure consistency, meat is heavily regulated and that's not working out too well for Tescos at the mo

[kibbster]

Sorry quote system went a bit wonky on my last post.

[greendollar]

Anyone know how long we've got before the PTB might conceivably impose any regulations on purchasing nic base ?

I keep spending what little cash I have on shiny stuff when , although I have 1 litre of nic base , I think should be stocking up on more .