Wednesdays VTTALK

[kibbster]

I've just watched VTTALK from Wednesday and it had some promising news. 
Dave Dorn spent Monday in a meeting on UK THR, he represented ecigs in amongst all the other charities, medical professionals and groups that have an interest in THR. 
From the sounds of things the support for ecigs was unanimous. 
Looks like we can count ASH as sworn friends now :-) 
Anyway, the gist was (well what I got from the program.) 
The UK wants to go it's own way and the MHRA announcement will I think be all important next month. 
Everyone at the meeting said licensing will happen but the THR advocates want a softly, softly approach, which would make little difference for us vapers that use respected vendors (as long as they get their paperwork in order.) 
As far as I could tell, the MHRA opinion is a very big deal for us and they are still willing to listen to us and THR advocates. 

The points I picked up were:
All juice vendors would need to be licensed and have hygiene standards and be chip compliant.
Juices from China would have to be sealed and tamper proof. 
Devices are considered torches so won't be bothered with. 
They are considering a legal age of 12 for  vaping same as NRT. 
They don't care about nic levels as long as it's below the current legal limit. 
No dangerous ingredients in liquids, like the stuff that causes popcorn lung. 

Obviously the MHRA might decide to take a dump on us after all but for now they are listening to us, they're listening to our points of view already. 
And I can't imagine them ignoring THR peeps. 

So what are your views? 
Personally I think it's the most promising news I've heard. 
And good on Dave for going out there and defending all of us, he's in big boys class now and going toe to toe with bigwigs. 
Fight the good fight! 

Just to add after that load of old bollocks on Monday with the EU I really hope the MHRA distance themselves as much as possible from the loonies. 


But it all sounds great news to me :-) 

[MarkS]

That does sound promising Kibbster and hopefully someone will listen.

Sorry again for being a numpty, but who are THR? I have done a google but it comes back with The Hollywood Reporter. ???

[Anne (fuzzy)]

Mar 1, 2013 1:51:18 GMT MarkS said:

Sorry again for being a numpty, but who are THR? I have done a google but it comes back with The Hollywood Reporter. ???

Tobacco Harm Reduction, Mark.

[Deleted]

I've always thought that licensing juice vendors as opposed to liquids was a better way forward that way any vendor not complying could be susspended or banned from selling liquid thus protecting the vaping comunity. Dave

[kibbster]

Mar 1, 2013 7:21:43 GMT @darch said:

I've always thought that licensing juice vendors as opposed to liquids was a better way forward that way any vendor not complying could be susspended or banned from selling liquid thus protecting the vaping comunity. Dave

Agreed.
At the moment we've been working on trust with the vendors who to their credit have never had any reason to not be trusted.
But up until now vaping has always been a small (comparatively speaking) community with people who are part of the community supplying the community.
Once ecigs go mainstream every man and their dog will want a piece of this growing market and then things could easily spiral out of control.
It would only take one vendor/ mixer to be a dick and try and cut their base with bleach or something and someone dies, then the law comes crashing down and stuff gets banned.
By stuff I would guess pretty much everything.
Form what I could tell, the vendors are on the right track with self regulating but it would just become official regulation with consequences if standards drop.
And to be honest that's exactly how it should be, regulation shouldn't get in the way of anyone that's doing it right in the first place, just give a way for unscrupulous people to be stopped.

Will it cost the vendors?
No doubt.
Will those costs be passed on to us?
Of course.

But it's a competitive market place which should stop prices going up too much and as long as the MHRA or whoever does the licensing is fair then it can only be a good thing for everyone.
Official accreditation and respect for the vendors, trust in what we are buying and using and it should also remove a lot of ammunition from the ANTZ (BMA EU etc)

[hifistud]

[MarkS]

Interesting and informative viewing.

Licensing as suggested wouldn't be such a bad idea as I do wonder sometimes what is actually in the artificial flavourings in some of the juices I have tried in the short time I have been Vaping.

In regards to the age group of being 12 years, a large part of me thinks it isn't a good idea and another part of me can see where they are coming from.
The problem is children who take up smoking usually do it because it's "cool", or via peer pressure. My friends son is 15 years old and has been smoking from around the age of 11. He is now well and truly hooked on smoking and nicotine. I've spoken to him about e-cigs, but they just aren't "cool" enough for him to be interested in using them instead of tobacco. As with many 15 year olds he thinks he is going to live forever. didn't we all at that age?
The point I am trying to make is I do not think many under age users would actually materialise and they will nearly always go down the tobacco route as an introduction to nicotine addiction.

I do hope that when Dave? Interviews the UKIP MP/MEP that he asks him to actually have an understanding of what he is opposing the EU about in regards to e-cigs. As I do not think just opposing this issue on the grounds of simply being against the EU will really help us. We need MEP's who are on our side to understand why we actually feel so strongly about this. We need them to be making informed decisions to help fight our corner and in turn they may help bring those who are sitting on the fence to our side.

I will definitely tune into the next episode, good work.

[kibbster]

Mar 1, 2013 11:41:28 GMT MarkS said:

Interesting and informative viewing.

Licensing as suggested wouldn't be such a bad idea as I do wonder sometimes what is actually in the artificial flavourings in some of the juices I have tried in the short time I have been Vaping.

In regards to the age group of being 12 years, a large part of me thinks it isn't a good idea and another part of me can see where they are coming from.
The problem is children who take up smoking usually do it because it's "cool", or via peer pressure. My friends son is 15 years old and has been smoking from around the age of 11. He is now well and truly hooked on smoking and nicotine. I've spoken to him about e-cigs, but they just aren't "cool" enough for him to be interested in using them instead of tobacco. As with many 15 year olds he thinks he is going to live forever. didn't we all at that age?
The point I am trying to make is I do not think many under age users would actually materialise and they will nearly always go down the tobacco route as an introduction to nicotine addiction.

I do hope that when Dave? Interviews the UKIP MP/MEP that he asks him to actually have an understanding of what he is opposing the EU about in regards to e-cigs. As I do not think just opposing this issue on the grounds of simply being against the EU will really help us. We need MEP's who are on our side to understand why we actually feel so strongly about this. We need them to be making informed decisions to help fight our corner and in turn they may help bring those who are sitting on the fence to our side.

I will definitely tune into the next episode, good work.

Pretty much summed up my thoughts exactly.
I also don't trust UKIP that they are defending our right to vape, I suspect it's more to use as ammunition to attack the EU, mind you as the saying goes a enemy of my enemy is a friend.

Vaportrails TV broadcasts are excellent, very informative and entertaining, VTTalk on Wed, Haze hour on Thursday and Dave's tacklebox on Sundays are a must watch for me.
No offense the the rest of the guys

I also consider Dave Dorn to be our head of state in the new world (vaping) order and he's my official spokesman as well as figurehead

Sorry Dave

Just to add, we all know that it's Keith who's really in charge and Dave is his public presence

[MarkS]

Oh it's not that I don't trust UKIP, I don't really trust any politician from any party. I would just like to see any MEP who is on our side have a decent understanding of what they are defending, in the same way I'd like to see those opposed to e-cigs be so on grounds based on facts, rather than the clap trap that came from the EU meeting on Monday.
But a goal is a goal I guess no matter how it ends up in the back of the net.

I'll look out for the other broadcasts, I was just watching the Haze Hour when pleasantly interrupted by the postie bearing vaping treasures.

[andy01424]

regarding analouges think a lot of in the know and like us,is what really attracted us to it was it advertising well for me that answer is no,but as for the worry on ecigs,well at least if tried the novelty will wear off pdq,as for using a vamo and aga t or GG with an oddy,does not really look "street cred",maybe just the maybe the main worry for the Ecig look is to remove the cig look that way it becomes un appealing ,thats my thought.......

Agree can see regulation on juice as for the rises i dont think really we will notice much difference,as much concentrates are factory[lab] produced,same for nicotine...mixing for vendors is where problem lays..so it may well become mixed at source of process and labled by vendors with reg of product and coded from factory process...so trace back is available

[MarkS]

Mar 1, 2013 12:49:27 GMT andy01424 said:

regarding analouges think a lot of in the know and like us,is what really attracted us to it was it advertising well for me that answer is no,but as for the worry on ecigs,well at least if tried the novelty will wear off pdq,as for using a vamo and aga t or GG with an oddy,does not really look "street cred",maybe just the maybe the main worry for the Ecig look is to remove the cig look that way it becomes un appealing ,thats my thought.......

Agree can see regulation on juice as for the rises i dont think really we will notice much difference,as much concentrates are factory[lab] produced,same for nicotine...mixing for vendors is where problem lays..so it may well become mixed at source of process and labled by vendors with reg of product and coded from factory process...so trace back is available

Where I can see your point that cig-a-likes could attract under age users, I also think that the fact cig-a-likes are what actually attract smokers of age over to e-cigs in the first place out weighs that concern.

Real cigarettes will still look like cigarettes and that for me is the starting point for nearly every smoker out there and I do not see that changing even with  cig-a-like alternatives on the shelves.

I feel many teens would mock their friends about using an e-cig and real cigarettes would still be the main attraction for that age group.

[Ratfinkz]

Vttv is always excellent viewing! It's on live every night bar Fridays on vapourtrails.tv starting at 9 as has been said vttalk haze Hour and Dave's tackle box are the best but I love the othere instead especially caper scene. I watch them all live when I can or else I catch up later on youtube. And no, I'm not paid commission! Dave Dorn has done so much and continues to fight the ban, but he can't do it alone. We ALL need to listen to him and carry out instructions 8 suggestions!

[Roger]

Hi Fi has done a hell of a lot more than a lot of people realise over the years to fight for us. I'de like to be able to buy him a few beers some time.

[andy01424]

what i will add big round of applause for all in every forum every country VVTV for putting there voice forward


but regarding the one problem that has been mentioned is the attratction to analouges to ecigs, if the Tobacco companies want to join in then remove the comparison ,that way then brands can be named if not its going to be a go round on advertising,stinkie branding,so if they join in what will stop using them from making a similar packaging to a pack of 20[ie pcc] branded Marlborough Ecig for instance ,before long the clamp will come down every vendor etc branding there product,so remove the cig look

[davess]

All sounds very promising, and I agree with the suggestion that juice vendors should be licenced because that would benefit all us vapers. If that means paying a bit more for our goods then thats fair enough by me. At the end of the day it would give us peace of mind that the juice we are using is quality stuff and properly regulated.