Drip fed the future of e cigs and vaping.

[kibbster]

Mar 3, 2013 22:37:12 GMT ant said:

Is that a photo of Brad Pitt?

Let himself go a bit hasn't he

[oxo]

Mar 3, 2013 22:32:32 GMT gillas said:

As I understand it; The Tory line is to support e-cigs - but if we wait until 2017 we will all be back on the stinkies.

Unles this MEP is breaking the party line.(received 7th Jan 2013)

Dear Mr. xxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email setting out your thoughts on a proposal issued by the European Commission to amend current European law concerning the manufacture, presentation and sale of tobacco and related products.

Among the products to be affected by the proposed changes are electronic inhalers, commonly known as personal vaporizers or e-cigarettes, which vaporize a liquid solution containing nicotine into an aerosol mist which is then inhaled to simulate the act of smoking tobacco. The Commission proposes to limit the amount of nicotine in solutions sold for use in electronic cigarettes to four milligrams of nicotine per millilitre, unless the products have been classified as for medicinal use. This would render the solution too weak to be a viable source of nicotine for smokers or ex-smokers, or would require manufacturers to apply for a costly licence to manufacture medicinal products.

You are not alone in contacting me on this issue - many constituents feel similarly strongly. I have examined the arguments and I see the potential e-cigarettes offer as harm-reduction devices to improve human health. I am particularly convinced by the fact that e-cigarettes offer concentrated nicotine to addicts without the 4000 toxins and carcinogens found in tobacco smoke, that use of e-cigarettes removes the risk posed to non-smokers (and especially to children of smokers) by second hand smoke, that e-cigarettes appeal to adult smokers seeking to quit but not generally to children or those not yet addicted to nicotine, that traditional nicotine replacement therapies proposed by the NHS and the pharmaceutical industry have had very limited success in helping smokers quit permanently, and that thousands of British e-cigarette users (and millions across the EU and the world) are likely return to smoking if the directive is amended as foreseen and nicotine concentrations are limited to 4mg/ml. I have no doubt that this will lead to a large percentage of such users dying of smoking-related diseases they might otherwise have avoided, with all the personal and societal consequences this would mean. Such arguments have led me to conclude that the proposed changes to limit permitted concentrations of nicotine solution sold in the EU are counter-productive and will do much more harm than good.

Changes to EU tobacco legislation have been expected for some time but were delayed by the recent resignation of the previous European Commissioner for Health and Consumer Affairs, John Dalli. His replacement, Tonio Borg, has expressed a desire to change the law before his mandate expires in June 2014. To prevent the proposed changes concerning e-cigarettes and all the negative consequences that would arise, we must work hard in the year ahead to build solid majorities in both the Parliament and the Council.

As a member of the Parliament's Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety I will do everything in my power to make the arguments and convince other MEPs of the foolishness of diluting nicotine solution to the point of uselessness. I would also encourage you to raise awareness among others in the vapourizing community. The internet offers considerable opportunities to draw the attention of a wide audience to the issue and to contact your elected representatives quickly and easily. If you have not already done so I would encourage you to write to your MP and request him to raise the matter in Westminster, and persuade other e-cigarette users to do the same. If we bring to the attention of the public, the political world and the media the strong arguments in favour of e-cigarettes as a harm reduction device and the number of lives which can be saved through their use, we have a very strong chance of winning the argument.

I would also be happy to receive your comments and suggestions as we move through the legislative process. I have offices in the UK and in Brussels and if there is anything else you would like to bring to my attention, please do not hesitate to get in touch. I am here to work on your behalf and represent your interests and would be delighted to hear from you.

With very best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2013,

Martin Callanan

Conservative Member of the European Parliament for the North East

Leader, European Conservatives and Reformists Group
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I don't vote Tory or UKIP, but would certainly consider it if Labour don't change tact.

She coulndnt bring herself to tell you he was taking backhanders and got grassed up.
Wait and see whos next to the trough.
www.europeanvoice.com/article/2012/october/john-dalli-resigns/75389.aspx
 

[ian]

I want to know a few more things here which may seem trivial now but just thinking of the bigger picture.
1.Will our vendors be able to still sell equipment such as atomisers,mods etc?
2.Will the forums still continue?Or will they have to be plugged,killing the community.
3.Will everything just continue as normal apart from the sale of nicotine liquid?

Only reason i ask these questions,is because,if it's only the nicotine that will be regulated then i will make it my priority to just keep buying loads of the stuff and stashing it everywhere,lol.If it's everything including hardware then i will have to keep buying more cartomisers,rebuildables etc.Does anyone really know any answers to any of the above questions though

[womble]

Answer is yes to all questions.

Australia (and Canada) is a good place to watch, vaping is banned there, I don't know very much about it, but I believe vaping kit is still sold there. I don't know how they get their nic.

[oxo]

Mar 3, 2013 23:12:00 GMT ian said:

I want to know a few more things here which may seem trivial now but just thinking of the bigger picture.
1.Will our vendors be able to still sell equipment such as atomisers,mods etc?
2.Will the forums still continue?Or will they have to be plugged,killing the community.
3.Will everything just continue as normal apart from the sale of nicotine liquid?

Only reason i ask these questions,is because,if it's only the nicotine that will be regulated then i will make it my priority to just keep buying loads of the stuff and stashing it everywhere,lol.If it's everything including hardware then i will have to keep buying more cartomisers,rebuild ambles etc.Does anyone really know any answers to any of the above questions though

Dont know tbh but Im after one of those battery s that charge from the base, you can vape as its charging and theres a good chance it will work as a battery eliminator once it no longer can hold a charge.
I think tanks and the like will be floating round the markets for decades to come which ever direction vaping takes.
 

[ian]

So it's all about the nicotine then and that's it,thanks Womble.So even if the ban does come in we can still buy atomisers and mods,visit the forums etc.Will we still get new developments in vaping?(New attys,mods etc?)Or will it all come to a stand still?So many questions that i don't know the answers to,i must admit i am worried for the years to come.

[womble]

Mar 3, 2013 23:22:07 GMT ian said:

So it's all about the nicotine then and that's it,thanks Womble.So even if the ban does come in we can still buy atomisers and mods,visit the forums etc.Will we still get new developments in vaping?(New attys,mods etc?)Or will it all come to a stand still?So many questions that i don't know the answers to,i must admit i am worried for the years to come.

All the kit will still be for sale. Although maybe in smaller quatities, it depends how many people still vape.
Developments in vaping will still happen, the UK/EU isn't the only market for ecigs, although it is a large one.

I suspect there are others on here with a better understanding of it than me.

[ian]

Mar 3, 2013 23:30:14 GMT womble said:

Mar 3, 2013 23:22:07 GMT ian said:

So it's all about the nicotine then and that's it,thanks Womble.So even if the ban does come in we can still buy atomisers and mods,visit the forums etc.Will we still get new developments in vaping?(New attys,mods etc?)Or will it all come to a stand still?So many questions that i don't know the answers to,i must admit i am worried for the years to come.

All the kit will still be for sale. Although maybe in smaller quatities, it depends how many people still vape.
Developments in vaping will still happen, the UK/EU isn't the only market for ecigs, although it is a large one.

I suspect there are others on here with a better understanding of it than me.

Thanks alot for your responses Womble,that has really put my mind at ease.I can now concentrate on the nicotine supply and keep buying a bottle each time i get paid.Bugger,how do i explain the lack of space for food in the freezer to the mrs? snickering_smileyStuff what she says anyway,this is an emergency as far as I'm concerned

[womble]

Well, tbh I'm not that worried, I don't think it will get through as it is. There are too many people trying and doing a good job of informing people the negatives of it.

However, I have been wrong in the past lol, but I'm not bulk buying nic yet myself.

[womble]

I do apologise, vaping in Canada is not illegal, just frowned upon.

[womble]

This is an interesting read about getting hold of nicotine in Aus, I suspect (but don't know) it would be the same here, or similar.
www.ejuice.com.au/blog/

The main thing it would do, if it comes in, is stop new people getting into it so much, IMO. So while I'm not worried for myself, I fear that it will make more people carry on smoking instead of trying ecigs.

[davess]

Just a point, what is the shelf life of nic if boughgt in bulk?

[ian]

Mar 3, 2013 23:51:32 GMT womble said:

This is an interesting read about getting hold of nicotine in Aus, I suspect (but don't know) it would be the same here, or similar.
www.ejuice.com.au/blog/

The main thing it would do, if it comes in, is stop new people getting into it so much, IMO. So while I'm not worried for myself, I fear that it will make more people carry on smoking instead of trying ecigs.

Oh well,after reading that i'm not as worried now,thanks for that Womble.If vaping is banned in Aus and they can still get nicotine in high strength then what is to worry about for us?We can simply do the same,and if we can still buy our hardware then it's all good.Why can't we just be left alone in peace to enjoy our vaping,i suppose it really is all down to revenue and these idiots just care about money and not people's health,lives and well being.

[womble]

You have to remember that these people aren't vapers, haven't read the amount of stuff we have and have others things to worry about as well.
Some I'm sure have real misdirected worries about health and some, worries about money, some probably don't care one way or the other.

I would still write to your MEP's and try to get them on our side, or at least make sure they understand what they are discussing.

[ian]

Mar 4, 2013 0:40:14 GMT womble said:

You have to remember that these people aren't vapers, haven't read the amount of stuff we have and have others things to worry about as well.
Some I'm sure have real misdirected worries about health and some, worries about money, some probably don't care one way or the other.

I would still write to your MEP's and try to get them on our side, or at least make sure they understand what they are discussing.

Thanks Womble,i think i understand this all alot more now.I will write to my MEP's and try and do my bit as it would be selfish not to.It would be terrible if a ban came in which makes it harder for new users to get into vaping.We all have the grit and knowledge on our side where as new users obviously need as easy a start as possible without all this crap to consider.Oh well,off to sleep a little easier tonight now,lol.