Trying to Guage usage

[phildo]

Hey Folks

I have been using Ultavape Cartomisers, and seem to have one cart last about a day and a half roughly.

I will be ordering the Riva 1100 kit once it is back in stock, and will be ordering some liquid to go along with it.

and I am trying to guage how much usage I would be going through.

Does anyone know the capacity of the ultra vape disposable cartomisers?

I am guessing it would be about 2 ml, so would I be right and say if I bought juice, I would be using just under 2ml per day? (assuming no change in usage)

Thanks in advance!

Phildo

[Karma]

The average usage seems to be around 3mls a day. So if you budget for about that at first all should be well!

[djs]

I'd imagine one and a half cartos is probably about 1-1.5ml. Not very much.

Remember that most of these "one carto = 20 fags" mini e-cigs are high resistance cartomisers that produce less vapour to allow more puffs.

Interesting to see UltraVape do an E-Lite compatible carto. £11.99 for 5....pretty shocking, but good on them for at least trying.

I went straight from 2 prefilled cartomisers to about 2ml a day using the ones with a RIVA kit. BUT that went up to 3ml a day as soon as I got into clearomisers etc.

[hesta]

Wow, the claims of lasting up to 40 cigarettes worth per carto is pretty astonishing! I get through around 4-5 ml of 18mg juice per day, coming from smoking 35-40 cigs per day. Is there something I am missing about these particular cartos?

[Perpetua]

Mar 9, 2013 23:12:53 GMT hesta said:

Wow, the claims of lasting up to 40 cigarettes worth per carto is pretty astonishing! I get through around 4-5 ml of 18mg juice per day, coming from smoking 35-40 cigs per day. Is there something I am missing about these particular cartos?

No you're missing nothing Hesta, those claims are grossly exaggarated . . . terribly misleading and I'm sure leads to much disappointment for any smoker purchasing them.

Not everyone wanting to make the switch finds a forum like us, to be given factual information.


Sadly, I'm sure it must put some off from persevering with ecigs.

[hesta]

^ Yeah, seems like some places want to concentrate on the (exaggerated) effects on your wallet rather than the effects on your health! If I had bought something claiming that, I would be pretty worried when I was consuming 3-4 cartos a day!

[phildo]

I thought the claims must be exaggerated before I bought them.

Even when smoking, I would only smoke a max of 7-10 a day, so I would not expect to be vaping that much.

One cart lasting a day and half still sounded too much. As on that basis I was smoking the equivilent of 30 a day, and even in my early twenties on a night on the drink I wouldn't smoke 30.

I am not sure how much I will use with the riva, we will see.

Phildo

[hesta]

Good luck with the riva, I bought a riva 1100 kit as a back up, and been using it off and on. It has proven pretty good so far

[oxo]

Mar 10, 2013 9:17:12 GMT oxo said:

Mar 10, 2013 9:16:39 GMT oxo said:

How much juice you will use comes down to how much time you spend vaping.

If you wait till youve got a nicotine craving, Like most smokers do you wont use lots juice.

Vaping is as long as a length of string and thats what makes it different from a cigarette,

You can kill your craving with a few puffs of 36mg or a longer puffing session with strengths half of that 18mg is a popular vape strength.

I recreational vape on 8mg and have yet to get a nic craving.

Its up to you to find the numbers that work for you and your daily routine.

This is a good table that can  help you.   allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/87/liquid-strength-guide

[Perpetua]

Don't be surprised if you vape more than you smoke Phildo, your body absorbs nicotine differently as to how it does with tobacco cigs and find a juice/delivery system that suits you, then it's so blumming enjoyable.

[djs]

Mar 9, 2013 23:43:54 GMT Perpetua said:

.... those claims are grossly exaggarated . . . terribly misleading and I'm sure leads to much disappointment for any smoker purchasing them.

Not everyone wanting to make the switch finds a forum like us, to be given factual information.


Sadly, I'm sure it must put some off from persevering with ecigs.

I had a chat with a self-confessed consumer/economics/business pedant the other day and she had some interesting stories to tell me about what people can and can't say when advertising/marketing a product.

It was a real eye-opener I tell you. Basically, the way I understand it is you can say anything you like if the claim you make is simply immeasurable because there is no set standard. For some people, "a" cigarette could be 4 or 5 puffs on a fresh-air (low tar/low nic ready-made) or 12 long and hard draws on a full strength filterless.

There are analogue cigarettes out there with almost no nicotine, therefore it is wholly acceptable and 99.9% legal for me to start an e-cig company and sell cartos with a small amount (0.5ml) of medium strength juice and claim that it will provide the equivalent of 40 fags in both nicotine and vaping/smoking puffs.

I inquired as to "how far" a company might push the boundaries and the reply was "the boundaries of exaggerating claims are only limited by how far a company is prepared/risk to it's own reputation and what it can say without ruining it's own chance of surviving in the market".

I could sell a new type of Biro tomorrow for £2.99 and claim it lasts 1,000 times longer than a regular Biro. Nobody can or will stop me, I simply take the chance of looking like a company that lies and takes peoples money on false pretenses. Incidentally, the mobile network "EE" (Orange) put it's prices up last week to all it's contract customers. By law, they could put everybody's monthly charge up to what ever they want, as the small print in the contract allows them to do so. I asked the question that if all the directors wanted to shut down the company and make millions of pounds overnight, could they not bill everybody £999 per month?

I suspect half the reason why some e-cig companies charge so much is because they have no long-term ambitions for the brand. This might be down to the threat of an e-liquid ban.

If I was in charge of one of the top mini e-cig brands, I might see "pricing" as the last thing on my agenda and simply charge as much as possible before the ban arrives or enough people know the cost of these things.

If we tried to sell bread for £3.99 a loaf in the supermarket nobody would buy it.
and yet, certain e-cig brands charge £3.99 for one cartomiser and people fall for it.

They get away with it by inventing/claiming whatever they like.

[djs]

If you wait till youve got a nicotine craving, Like most smokers do you wont use lots juice.

Vaping is as long as a length of string and thats what makes it different from a cigarette,

You can kill your craving with a few puffs of 36mg or a longer puffing session with strengths half of that 18mg is a popular vape strength.

GOOD POST.

[oxo]

Mar 10, 2013 11:37:43 GMT djs said:

Mar 9, 2013 23:43:54 GMT Perpetua said:

.... those claims are grossly exaggarated . . . terribly misleading and I'm sure leads to much disappointment for any smoker purchasing them.

Not everyone wanting to make the switch finds a forum like us, to be given factual information.


Sadly, I'm sure it must put some off from persevering with ecigs.

I had a chat with a self-confessed consumer/economics/business pedant the other day and she had some interesting stories to tell me about what people can and can't say when advertising/marketing a product.

It was a real eye-opener I tell you. Basically, the way I understand it is you can say anything you like if the claim you make is simply immeasurable because there is no set standard. For some people, "a" cigarette could be 4 or 5 puffs on a fresh-air (low tar/low nic ready-made) or 12 long and hard draws on a full strength filterless.

There are analogue cigarettes out there with almost no nicotine, therefore it is wholly acceptable and 99.9% legal for me to start an e-cig company and sell cartos with a small amount (0.5ml) of medium strength juice and claim that it will provide the equivalent of 40 fags in both nicotine and vaping/smoking puffs.

I inquired as to "how far" a company might push the boundaries and the reply was "the boundaries of exaggerating claims are only limited by how far a company is prepared/risk to it's own reputation and what it can say without ruining it's own chance of surviving in the market".

I could sell a new type of Biro tomorrow for £2.99 and claim it lasts 1,000 times longer than a regular Biro. Nobody can or will stop me, I simply take the chance of looking like a company that lies and takes peoples money on false pretenses. Incidentally, the mobile network "EE" (Orange) put it's prices up last week to all it's contract customers. By law, they could put everybody's monthly charge up to what ever they want, as the small print in the contract allows them to do so. I asked the question that if all the directors wanted to shut down the company and make millions of pounds overnight, could they not bill everybody £999 per month?

I suspect half the reason why some e-cig companies charge so much is because they have no long-term ambitions for the brand. This might be down to the threat of an e-liquid ban.

If I was in charge of one of the top mini e-cig brands, I might see "pricing" as the last thing on my agenda and simply charge as much as possible before the ban arrives or enough people know the cost of these things.

If we tried to sell bread for £3.99 a loaf in the supermarket nobody would buy it.
and yet, certain e-cig brands charge £3.99 for one cartomiser and people fall for it.

They get away with it by inventing/claiming whatever they like.

Nicotine % within a diluent is an exact science. It was shown that absorption rates are 100% vaped.
guidetovaping.com/2012/06/clearstream-air-study-ecigs-and-2nd-hand-vapor/

Machine testing the nicotine content of tobacco has a + - of 15% accuracy per brand.
This is still quite accurate when you conceder 15% of numbers like 0.6mg.
Cigarettes burn like a fuse, each individual smoking style looses penitential nicotine intake due to this and length of butt reaining on hitting the ashtray.

Smoke yields from cigarettes are measured according to a standard regime
by smoking machines and do not reflect how individuals smoke. They were
never intended to be the actual yields obtained by any one smoker,
rather to enable brands to be ranked.   webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.dh.gov.uk/ab/SCOTH/DH_096609

 nicotine content in cigarettes survey  www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/@dh/@ab/documents/digitalasset/dh_096626.pdf

[oxo]

Mar 10, 2013 17:55:31 GMT oxo said:

[djs]

Mar 10, 2013 17:55:31 GMT oxo said:

Nicotine % within a diluent is an exact science. It was shown that absorption rates are 100% vaped.
guidetovaping.com/2012/06/clearstream-air-study-ecigs-and-2nd-hand-vapor/

Machine testing the nicotine content of tobacco has a + - of 15% accuracy per brand.
This is still quite accurate when you conceder 15% of numbers like 0.6mg.
Cigarettes burn like a fuse, each individual smoking style looses penitential nicotine intake due to this and length of butt retaining on hitting the ashtray.

Interesting that info about 100% of the nicotine being vaped....that's good for us, but still doesn't help us establish how much nicotine we get (on the way in, as it were) from vaping.

I'd like to read a study on that. I doubt it's even 50% going in.