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Have some GVC MarkS

Protected v non protected is to do with safety...

The vamo has protection built in so when someone (like moi) puts a battery in the wrong way it's supposed not to short (but it did) and smoke and potentially explode...

Now you really don't want lithium batteries exploding..

Some mods have vents to help stop this

Tis up to you. I refuse to pay for AW's which are supposedly the best....

Might email torchy about his torchy 2000 mah 18650 high drain and see if they are protected

But unless you do something mega crazy (like drop it from a height or something) I really don't think it's going to make a difference...

It's a bit like stacking batteries I guess (yes, that debate )

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IMR = safe chemistry ... different internals to Li-Ion batteries, which means less heat, less bang-bang chance

Protected batteries have a short circuit protection in the top of them

You can use either in mech mods but protected give you that extra safety against shorts and battery damage

Basically you are looking for something which is stable and doesn't generate heat which both do and if you aren't testing atty's for short circuits with a multimeter, buy protected. The short circuit protection explains why some protected batteries don't work well in Vamo's etc.. although I used efest protected in my Vamo with little issue.

If using a Kick, use standard IMR's for the same reason

[MarkS]

But what about over discharge @johanino, which I know means running the battery to low....in a Mech Mod this can be a problem no?

Why it can be a problem I have no idea, but again just something I have read without really understanding it or why it is such a big issue.

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Mar 19, 2013 15:53:18 GMT MarkS said:

But what about over discharge @johanino, which I know means running the battery to low....in a Mech Mod this can be a problem no?

Why it can be a problem I have no idea, but again just something I have read without really understanding it or why it is such a big issue.

over discharging can damage the batteries which is why regular charging is good. Mech mods don't regulate how much you use them so you could entirely drain them. Vamo's will cut off to protect the batteries. In reality the power will have gone so low that you will recognise that the batteries need a charge, i.e. no TH

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Mar 19, 2013 15:41:43 GMT MarkS said:

Mar 19, 2013 15:32:33 GMT @johanino said:

I'll risk it...batteries are batteries...all to be treated with care.

I think I got some IMR's a few week's ago off torchy and all IMR's are protected so why worry?

Interesting. I have two 18350 IMR's from Moju Republic, but I called them today and they said they were not protected, just high drain. Is that the same difference?

I hear what you are saying Johanino, but I don't have a clue what all this protected/unprotected is all about nor what it all means when it's actually explained to me. As someone who doesn't understand it, it just looks to me like a way of charging consumers for all sorts of batteries when surely in this day and age a battery could be made that did the lot.

I'm just going on what has been advised and what I have read elsewhere. I want to be safe, not sorry.


Oh and just like the last time I went looking for batteries it is doing my head in.

Mark its easy

Protected batteries have a chip inside them, non protected batteries do not.

Protected battiers should always be used in a mechanical mod because the battery will shut off if there is a short and it will also shut off once the voltage drops to a certain level thus protecting the life of the battery.

Non protected batteries like IMR batteries are best used in mods that have their own built in circuit protection of their own that will shut themselves off in the same way as protected batteries do on a mechanical mod if there is a short and when the battery voltage drops to a certain level, again to protect the life of the battery.

Protected batteries aren't really for mods with built in protection as the mods built in protection can get confused with the protected batteries own built in protection and visa versa, although it isn't dangerous at all if you did.

To summarise

Protected batteries for mechanical mods.
IMR non protected batteries for mods that have their own built in protection such as the Vamo, Evic, Zmax etc)

[MarkS]

Mar 19, 2013 15:52:04 GMT @ashmal said:

IMR = safe chemistry ... different internals to Li-Ion batteries, which means less heat, less bang-bang chance

Protected batteries have a short circuit protection in the top of them

You can use either in mech mods but protected give you that extra safety against shorts and battery damage

Basically you are looking for something which is stable and doesn't generate heat which both do and if you aren't testing atty's for short circuits with a multimeter, buy protected. The short circuit protection explains why some protected batteries don't work well in Vamo's etc.. although I used efest protected in my Vamo with little issue.

If using a Kick, use standard IMR's for the same reason

Cheers Ash whats a Kick?

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Took a while to type what I did and had some distractions and loads of posts about batteries appeared after I posted lol

I forgot about the kick

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Mar 19, 2013 16:00:59 GMT MarkS said:

Mar 19, 2013 15:52:04 GMT @ashmal said:

IMR = safe chemistry ... different internals to Li-Ion batteries, which means less heat, less bang-bang chance

Protected batteries have a short circuit protection in the top of them

You can use either in mech mods but protected give you that extra safety against shorts and battery damage

Basically you are looking for something which is stable and doesn't generate heat which both do and if you aren't testing atty's for short circuits with a multimeter, buy protected. The short circuit protection explains why some protected batteries don't work well in Vamo's etc.. although I used efest protected in my Vamo with little issue.

If using a Kick, use standard IMR's for the same reason

Cheers Ash whats a Kick?

www.safercigs.co.uk/Evolv_Kick/p705283_5787804.aspx

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Mar 19, 2013 16:00:59 GMT MarkS said:

Mar 19, 2013 15:52:04 GMT @ashmal said:

IMR = safe chemistry ... different internals to Li-Ion batteries, which means less heat, less bang-bang chance

Protected batteries have a short circuit protection in the top of them

You can use either in mech mods but protected give you that extra safety against shorts and battery damage

Basically you are looking for something which is stable and doesn't generate heat which both do and if you aren't testing atty's for short circuits with a multimeter, buy protected. The short circuit protection explains why some protected batteries don't work well in Vamo's etc.. although I used efest protected in my Vamo with little issue.

If using a Kick, use standard IMR's for the same reason

Cheers Ash whats a Kick?

a drop in module that sits between the battery and 510 connector in a mech mod. Allows VW on mech mods and gives you power regulation, battery discharge and short circuit protection ... will show you on Saturday

[Adam78]

has anyone tried one of these?



It's the same size as the UDT-L in 18350 (this one only takes 18350)

[MarkS]

Mar 19, 2013 16:00:46 GMT @simate said:

Mark its easy

Protected batteries have a chip inside them, non protected batteries do not.

Protected battiers should always be used in a mechanical mod because the battery will shut off if there is a short and it will also shut off once the voltage drops to a certain level thus protecting the life of the battery.

Non protected batteries like IMR batteries are best used in mods that have their own built in circuit protection of their own that will shut themselves off in the same way as protected batteries do on a mechanical mod if there is a short and when the battery voltage drops to a certain level, again to protect the life of the battery.

Protected batteries aren't really for mods with built in protection as the mods built in protection can get confused with the protected batteries own built in protection and visa versa, although it isn't dangerous at all if you did.

To summarise

Protected batteries for mechanical mods.
IMR non protected batteries for mods that have their own built in protection such as the Vamo, Evic, Zmax etc)

Ok so I can't use my IMR's in the UDT-L then? Even though Ash and Johanino just said I could?

It's not easy at all simate with so many conflicting views and opinions.

What would be easy is the battery companies or Mod Makers releasing something that's good for all and I really do not see why that should be an issue in 2013.

Thanks for taking the time to  explain it all Ash, Johanino and simate, but I do hope you can understand why my head is hurting from it all.

The general consensus is protected for the UDT-L so that is what I'll go for. I have unprotected for the Vamo if either of them ever turn up. Meanwhile I have a £10 mod that I either pay nearly double what the mod costs for batteries or order just as good for half the price coming on the slow boat and wait another 2-3 weeks to use it.

I need to have a vape, a nice cup of tea and some Nurofen, whilst I think about it.

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You can use the IMR's ... you just need to understand there is some level of risk, especially if you're not testing atomisers before connecting them.

And if you are using them, I would recommend the best so look for AW ones - but as @simate says, try to use protected

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Mar 19, 2013 16:16:09 GMT @ashmal said:

You can use the IMR's ... you just need to understand there is some level of risk, especially if you're not testing atomisers before connecting them.

And if you are using them, I would recommend the best so look for AW ones - but as @simate says, try to use protected

I was using Efest IMR's in my Sigelei Telescope as I could gauge when the battery should be changed but I thought it best to not confuse Mark by going on about that sort of thing and confusing him lol. I always used my multimeter to test my atties too.

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Mar 19, 2013 16:26:27 GMT @simate said:

Mar 19, 2013 16:16:09 GMT @ashmal said:

You can use the IMR's ... you just need to understand there is some level of risk, especially if you're not testing atomisers before connecting them.

And if you are using them, I would recommend the best so look for AW ones - but as @simate says, try to use protected

I was using Efest IMR's in my Sigelei Telescope as I could gauge when the battery should be changed but I thought it best to not confuse Mark by going on about that sort of thing and confusing him lol. I always used my multimeter to test my atties too.

sorry ! Sure we'll discuss it in pub

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Mar 19, 2013 16:31:45 GMT @ashmal said:

Mar 19, 2013 16:26:27 GMT @simate said:

I was using Efest IMR's in my Sigelei Telescope as I could gauge when the battery should be changed but I thought it best to not confuse Mark by going on about that sort of thing and confusing him lol. I always used my multimeter to test my atties too.

sorry ! Sure we'll discuss it in pub

Don't be sorry you silly sausage lol