Do you always try a new flavouring on it's own first?

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Now I have Cap Butter, I'm likely to revise the recipe ... and consign the French Toast to the back of the mixing drawer

[Perpetua]

Mar 29, 2013 10:07:14 GMT @ashmal said:

Mar 29, 2013 10:02:21 GMT Perpetua said:

Haven't used Capella's Ash . . . what are you making with it?

I've been diverted by other projects to be honest and am waiting for the latest testers to fully steep.

I mixed it with peanut butter and banana (both of these flavours are tried and tested for me) and when I tried the mix I think I added too much. It really had an odd taste about it and nothing like the intended recipe.

I've now made 2 samples with a reduced amount of the Toast plus a sample with just the Toast in it so I can gauge what it actually tastes like.

Drip test later today (once I've defrosted the freezer and repatriated 1 litre of nic juice from the shed).

Problem is I think this is likely to taste nothing like French toast ... at least not like the French Toast I make !

I'd think it's one of those flavours, that you don't need a great deal of myself, as you say Ash. Might be better with a straight nut flavour, like Almond?

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Mar 29, 2013 10:24:27 GMT Perpetua said:

Mar 29, 2013 10:07:14 GMT @ashmal said:

I've been diverted by other projects to be honest and am waiting for the latest testers to fully steep.

I mixed it with peanut butter and banana (both of these flavours are tried and tested for me) and when I tried the mix I think I added too much. It really had an odd taste about it and nothing like the intended recipe.

I've now made 2 samples with a reduced amount of the Toast plus a sample with just the Toast in it so I can gauge what it actually tastes like.

Drip test later today (once I've defrosted the freezer and repatriated 1 litre of nic juice from the shed).

Problem is I think this is likely to taste nothing like French toast ... at least not like the French Toast I make !

I'd think it's one of those flavours, that you don't need a great deal of myself, as you say Ash. Might be better with a straight nut flavour, like Almond?

could be - will report back once I've tooted on the tester

[oxo]

The tobacco flavours are more difficult ones to do, At least thats what Im finding two days into steeping six different flavours mixed as stand alone.

Ive mixed at 3 5 and 9% and dripped a few drops on the attie each time and still not encountered any flavour.

Only just moved onto tobacco concentrates but I can see they are a different entity to none tobacco when it comes to mixing.
Other flavours have been like adjusting the volume on a TV, The tobaccos Im doing at the moment is like searching for a station on the radio,
Hope one or two of them start tuning in soon the uncertainty is doing me in,
I would always try tobacco and other flavours on ther own first, The %ages of concentrates differ too much from flavour to flavour to expect to combine multiples without one drowning out the others.

[bones3]

Hi al i would just like to state that this is just my take on the thred starters initial question

i personally pre mix my nic base to 15mg as i don't like handling the strong stuff as often as needed when juice mixing. That is then left to sit for a few days.
when trying new flavour s i always mix i 10ml at 15 percent in a 20ml bottle which gives plenty of room to shake this Will then be left for 2 weeks then tasted if it needs altering i draw out what's left in the bottle in a syringe and work out the needed chang es mix them leave to steep again
it is a long winded process but i find you get the intended flavour.
Also i find writing a log of what you have done and when to be very helpful and aids when you want to mix up again.
It is a long journey this mixing lark at it is well worth it when you have enough juice in hand to be able to vape month steeped juice as its just like the shop purchased juice

[esmecullen]

I sometimes do just use one flavour just to get a feel of it or if I feel that flavour is best on its own.......... but mainly mixing is fun for me and I enjoy trying out different combinations of flavours am toying with the idea of graham cracker and banana...........hopefully it may taste yummy when mixed

[Perpetua]

Nanna Biccie . . . sounds yummy Esme. Like you, I don't ' over science ' this lovely pastime, the creativity element is far to enjoyable to spoil by getting bogged down.

But, it's what suits the individual, as long as the end result is good for you, then it doesn't matter how you get there.

[MarkS]

I guess I'm just bringing over the cook in me to mixing.
Don't get me wrong, now I'm experienced in cooking I don't need to weigh or measure much and do it mainly by eye. The learning process via weights and measures was essential in getting to this phase though.

some great input and I think i am going to try each flavour on it's own in a 1-3ml sample first and make notes on them.

I get most of everything else, but as with cooking working with different flavourings can be a bit of a minefield when it comes to volumes to use.

[MarkS]

For the individual flavour testers...does 50 drips base to 1 drip flavour sound a good place to start?

[Greigster]

Sounds a bit weak at just 2%, I mix my PVC @ 25% so for me I would add 10 drips of flavouring to 30 drips of base but that is just my preference cos I like a strong flavour.

[OneDay]

Mar 29, 2013 12:32:48 GMT MarkS said:

For the individual flavour testers...does 50 drips base to 1 drip flavour sound a good place to start?

That will only give you 2% flavour. Personally I'd start at 5%

[MarkS]

Mar 29, 2013 12:47:44 GMT OneDay said:

Mar 29, 2013 12:32:48 GMT MarkS said:

For the individual flavour testers...does 50 drips base to 1 drip flavour sound a good place to start?

That will only give you 2% flavour. Personally I'd start at 5%

ahhh right.....this si where things get a little confusing. tobacco flavours would half that right? all the ones i have say start at 1%.

So if I reduced the base mix to 25 drips, then 1 drip with other flavours would be ok?

With tobacco 50 drips base and 1 drip flavour?

There has to be a better system than drips...i would imagine this is why so many people say juices are not the same even though they are the same flavour from the same vendor? Seems all a bit inaccurate to me.

[chrisjw]

I initially was going to mix up an amount of nic base & then add flavour concentrates in 5ml bottles, but then I thought about it & came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be the right way to do it. In actual fact I decided that it only complicated matters, so now I do a complete 5ml mix from scratch ( nic base & flavour ) for each mix. I find it easier to keep track of.

[oxo]

Mar 29, 2013 12:32:48 GMT MarkS said:

For the individual flavour testers...does 50 drips base to 1 drip flavour sound a good place to start?

Some like drops, but the bottles always seem to have different dripping tips thus different size of drops.

I like to keep it as scientific as poss and always use the 1ml syringe when measuring volumes of less than 5ml.

Ill use a combination of the 1ml and 5ml when mixing larger volumes.

I count the number of drips tested in the attie so Ive an idea how much remains of the mix before I tweak, I only do that if Im close to what I want.
If im in doubt Ill draw of juice and transfer to a fresh bottle keeping it to the full ml. So Im not working with fractions of decimals.

50 1 is only 2% and might be a good place for some tobaccos from what Ive read. You realy need someone to stick there neck out to help you speed up the process and eliminate any doubt.
If you doing fruits 15% and jumps each side of 2 or 3% soon narrows it down.

[MarkS]

Ok so i'll need more...but these testers would not be to actually vape as such, but more to get to know each individual on it's own merits, in terms of potency and flavour. I'm in no rush to get vaping on them as I have a shed load of juice around me. If it's to weak I can add more where as if I go over it's hard to take it away.

It may all seem a bit time consuming and anal, but I was a bit like that when learning how to cook properly. I know it could take weeks, maybe months to learn what flavour needs what percent etc...but at the end I would know each flavour on a very up close and personal level. Each bottle would be labelled and tweaks noted in a book and on the spreadsheet I plan to create.


Please keep the comments and suggestions coming..all are welcomed and duly noted.