Do you always try a new flavouring on it's own first?

[djs]

Call me mad, but I just go on and make 10ml of every flavour straight off. If it's rubbish, I'll mix it with something else.

or just never vape it....

[stewarty]

Mar 29, 2013 9:29:27 GMT MarkS said:

Makes perfect sense stewarty. I'll only use this pre-mix I've made to make 1-2ml bottles then, so will only add a few drips without diluting it to much to get an idea.
Great idea on making up the individual flavours too and mixing them afterwards. Also love the mental image I have of you now with two vamo's hanging out of each side of your gob.

Once I have an idea of the flavours I was thinking of weighing rather than dripping using the Liquix App too, as it does seem in theory to be a more accurate way of doing things

Mark everybody is different how they do their mixes but most follow the same basic principals but maybe in a different order to get the same end result if that makes sense.

Most people seem to prefer the challenge of mixing from scratch ie nic base, pg, vg and a combination of flavours in the one bottle at the same time.

Others will do similar to above but make single flavours and mix these together later and some like to premix the base before adding any flavour.

I don't think there is really any right or wrong way as long as you do your calculations so you end up with something tasty at your desired strength at the end of it, I have only been mixing a couple of months and to be honest am not too adventuous.

My personal preference after trying all the above is getting 3 or 4 empty 30ml bottles and adding to each one 12ml of Pg nic base, 8ml of PG, 6ml of Vg giving me a total of 26ml of 80/20 base @ about 20mg once I have added 4.5ml (15%) of my desired flavour later thus giving me enough to make 90 - 120ml of 20ish mg juice when I want.

May seem a funny way to do it but what I find is when I want to do a mixing session it is so easy and quick to either add 4.5ml of my tried and tested flavour to the bottle giving me 30.5ml of juice or using 10ml bottles and just decanting 8.5ml of pre mixed base and 1.5ml of flavour giving me a 10ml mix all @ about 20ish mg.

Probably not the way most will do it but it works for me as the individual flavours have all steeped before I mix them together so you can try them straight away and add more of one or the other without changing the nic level

[oxo]

Mar 29, 2013 13:06:55 GMT MarkS said:

Ok so i'll need more...but these testers would not be to actually vape as such, but more to get to know each individual on it's own merits, in terms of potency and flavour. I'm in no rush to get vaping on them as I have a shed load of juice around me. If it's to weak I can add more where as if I go over it's hard to take it away.

It may all seem a bit time consuming and anal, but I was a bit like that when learning how to cook properly. I know it could take weeks, maybe months to learn what flavour needs what percent etc...but at the end I would know each flavour on a very up close and personal level. Each bottle would be labelled and tweaks noted in a book and on the spreadsheet I plan to create.


Please keep the comments and suggestions coming..all are welcomed and duly noted.

Im cr@p at spreadsheets looking at the one maccafan made for his coop Id like to see the mixology section have one too. Members access and edit facility enabled

No chat, no review, just members name, brand name, concentrate flavour, and recipe.

We could try them, then come back on the forum and give praise or a good ribbing whatever the case maybe.

Im in to mixing for the pleasure of it but I have a no ready made juice policy so Ive to balance fun with quality control,

Anybody fancy setting up a table ?

[stewarty]

Mar 29, 2013 13:31:28 GMT djs said:

Call me mad, but I just go on and make 10ml of every flavour straight off. If it's rubbish, I'll mix it with something else.

or just never vape it....

Must be mad too lol cause I do all my testers in 10ml bottles.

Have had very few that didn't end up vapable when mixed with something else even then usually found someone else who thought it was ok so they got it for free.

Taste is so subjective someone will like it

[Roger]

Mar 29, 2013 13:31:28 GMT djs said:

Call me mad, but I just go on and make 10ml of every flavour straight off. If it's rubbish, I'll mix it with something else.

or just never vape it....

OK.  You are MAD 

[Roger]

Mar 29, 2013 13:37:30 GMT oxo said:

Mar 29, 2013 13:06:55 GMT MarkS said:

Ok so i'll need more...but these testers would not be to actually vape as such, but more to get to know each individual on it's own merits, in terms of potency and flavour. I'm in no rush to get vaping on them as I have a shed load of juice around me. If it's to weak I can add more where as if I go over it's hard to take it away.

It may all seem a bit time consuming and anal, but I was a bit like that when learning how to cook properly. I know it could take weeks, maybe months to learn what flavour needs what percent etc...but at the end I would know each flavour on a very up close and personal level. Each bottle would be labelled and tweaks noted in a book and on the spreadsheet I plan to create.


Please keep the comments and suggestions coming..all are welcomed and duly noted.

Im cr@p at spreadsheets looking at the one maccafan made for his coop Id like to see the mixology section have one too. Members access and edit facility enabled

No chat, no review, just members name, brand name, concentrate flavour, and recipe.

We could try them, then come back on the forum and give praise or a good ribbing whatever the case maybe.

Im in to mixing for the pleasure of it but I have a no ready made juice policy so Ive to balance fun with quality control,

Anybody fancy setting up a table ?

There is a members recipe section already with loads that you can try.

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/12015/aae-members-recipe-collection

[oxo]

Mar 29, 2013 14:07:32 GMT Roger said:

Mar 29, 2013 13:37:30 GMT oxo said:

Im cr@p at spreadsheets looking at the one maccafan made for his coop Id like to see the mixology section have one too. Members access and edit facility enabled

No chat, no review, just members name, brand name, concentrate flavour, and recipe.

We could try them, then come back on the forum and give praise or a good ribbing whatever the case maybe.

Im in to mixing for the pleasure of it but I have a no ready made juice policy so Ive to balance fun with quality control,

Anybody fancy setting up a table ?

There is a members recipe section already with loads that you can try.

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/12015/aae-members-recipe-collection

Its not very good for seeing at a glance and comparing what %ages people are mixing without scrolling through, Ive six backy flavours here searching for a percentage of concentrate before I start getting the taste. When i post up my results, they will be isolated from others of the same flavour separated by many posts or buried threads.
A table would show differences in each members preferred mix but it could be viewed in alphabetical order without running round the forum giving a more define and concentrated library experience.

[Roger]

Personally I find a lot of others mixes too highly flavoured for me, which is why I don't think seeing others % would be of any use to me. It may be for others. With such a variety in strengths from different flavour houses and taste being so subjective and personal, one persons recommendation may be of no use to someone else.

Don't get me wrong, not saying it's a bad idea............

[oxo]

Mar 29, 2013 14:40:54 GMT Roger said:

Personally I find a lot of others mixes too highly flavoured for me, which is why I don't think seeing others % would be of any use to me. It may be for others. With such a variety in strengths from different flavour houses and taste being so subjective and personal, one persons recommendation may be of no use to someone else.

Don't get me wrong, not saying it's a bad idea............

Subjective and personal would be catered for within a table spreadsheet.
There is a lack of basic guide lines both by the manufactures and the suppliers taste is objective does not apply to the wine beer or food industry, the recipes are an exact science ,
lots of us are still stumbling around finding and tweaking our mixes that are more often than not stand alone. I myself was posting blueberry mixes at 25% I would have liked it to have been on a editable table so I could go back and amend it to the more suitable 14 /15% range.
We are the taste testers that must find the %ages that seems to be a trade secret, A basic recipe centre wont appear until we do it.
Its good to post up mixes on the boards, talk about all things mixing and keep each other inspired, but its a little keef floyd and flower arranging at times.

[Roger]

Mar 29, 2013 15:14:28 GMT oxo said:

Mar 29, 2013 14:40:54 GMT Roger said:

Personally I find a lot of others mixes too highly flavoured for me, which is why I don't think seeing others % would be of any use to me. It may be for others. With such a variety in strengths from different flavour houses and taste being so subjective and personal, one persons recommendation may be of no use to someone else.

Don't get me wrong, not saying it's a bad idea............

Subjective and personal would be catered for within a table spreadsheet.
There is a lack of basic guide lines both by the manufactures and the suppliers taste is objective does not apply to the wine beer or food industry, the recipes are an exact science ,
lots of us are still stumbling around finding and tweaking our mixes that are more often than not stand alone. I myself was posting blueberry mixes at 25% I would have liked it to have been on a editable table so I could go back and amend it to the more suitable 14 /15% range.
We are the taste testers that must find the %ages that seems to be a trade secret, A basic recipe centre wont appear until we do it.
Its good to post up mixes on the boards, talk about all things mixing and keep each other inspired, but its a little keef floyd and flower arranging at times.

I give you Marmite.  Your analogy is a poor one, taste is subjective not objective.  There are loads of recipes around, Perpetua posted a link to 2 or 3 recipe sites the other day I'll see if I can find it.

[Perpetua]

Mar 29, 2013 15:14:28 GMT oxo said:

Mar 29, 2013 14:40:54 GMT Roger said:

Personally I find a lot of others mixes too highly flavoured for me, which is why I don't think seeing others % would be of any use to me.  It may be for others.  With such a variety in strengths from different flavour houses and taste being so subjective and personal, one persons recommendation may be of no use to someone else.

Don't get me wrong, not saying it's a bad idea............

Subjective and personal would be catered for within a table spreadsheet.
There is a lack of basic guide lines both by the manufactures and the suppliers taste is objective does not apply to the wine beer or food industry, the recipes are an exact science ,
lots of us are still stumbling around finding and tweaking our mixes that are more often than not stand alone. I myself was posting blueberry mixes at 25% I would have liked it to have been on a editable table so I could go back and amend it to the more suitable 14 /15% range.
We are the taste testers that must find the %ages that seems to be a trade secret, A basic recipe centre wont appear until we do it.
Its good to post up mixes on the boards, talk about all things mixing and keep each other inspired, but its a little keef floyd and flower arranging at times.

And that's what attracts myself and many others to mixing, the creative element of it.

If every mix I make turns out differently but vapeable to my tastes, I see no problem. Other Members recipes I use purely as a guide, as I know I may prefer a little more or less of a certain flavour.

If you'd like like to see something more regimented, then may I suggest you have a go at compiling it Oxo.

[Roger]

Mar 29, 2013 15:47:15 GMT Perpetua said:

Mar 29, 2013 15:14:28 GMT oxo said:

Subjective and personal would be catered for within a table spreadsheet.
There is a lack of basic guide lines both by the manufactures and the suppliers taste is objective does not apply to the wine beer or food industry, the recipes are an exact science ,
lots of us are still stumbling around finding and tweaking our mixes that are more often than not stand alone. I myself was posting blueberry mixes at 25% I would have liked it to have been on a editable table so I could go back and amend it to the more suitable 14 /15% range.
We are the taste testers that must find the %ages that seems to be a trade secret, A basic recipe centre wont appear until we do it.
Its good to post up mixes on the boards, talk about all things mixing and keep each other inspired, but its a little keef floyd and flower arranging at times.

And that's what attracts myself and many others to mixing, the creative element of it.

If every mix I make turns out differently but vapeable to my tastes, I see no problem. Other Members recipes I use purely as a guide, as I know I may prefer a little more or less of a certain flavour.

If you'd like like to see something more regimented, then may I suggest you have a go at compiling it Oxo.

I was just going to suggest the same thing    Beat me to it!!

[MarkS]

It seems that opinion does vary, but i have taken note that the general consensus appears to be i would be wasting my time going on the method I'd planned to take.

So as some frame of preference what percentages would you use with the following brands and flavours?

these are the flavours I have:

Capella Vanilla Custard - start at 10%
Capella Lemon Meringue - start at 5%
Cappella New York Cheese Cake - start at 5%

CCW Honey Intense - start at 2%
CCW Coconut - start at 10%
CCW Chocolate - start at 10%

Inawera Cappucino - start at 5%
Inawera Caramel - start at 5%

TPA Dulche Leche - start at 5%
TPA Banana Cream - start at 5%
TPA French Vanilla Deluxe - start at 5%
TPA Graham Cracker - start at 5%
TPA Bavarian Cream - start at 5%

Wera Garden 3 Fives - start at 1%
Wera Garden Tobacco Symphony - start at 1%
LT Ecigs USA Mix - start at 1%

I know not everyone would have used them, but if you have and think any of the above percentages need changing could you let me know if you have the time.

[oxo]

Mar 29, 2013 15:47:15 GMT Perpetua said:

If you'd like like to see something more regimented, then may I suggest you have a go at compiling it Oxo.

Im in the process, having only one set of taste buds its a slow one. Changing flavours to many times in the day dont let you tweak to a high standard.

I have had my successes mostly down to what Ive read on these boards.
I ve fetched my raspberry and blueberry to a standard to match any , very simple I know,  also got 8 others tweaking when taste buds allow + backy samples.
I know what self mixing can achieve, just need to discipline myself and get a bit of patience.

[Perpetua]

Don't be too disciplined Oxo . . . it takes the creative fun out of the process.


You're far from alone on the patience front, shame we don't have a Vendor who sells it.