Vapour production/diffrent devices

[roachieuk (aka eciggery2011)]

I trawl youtube alot and watch various reviews to pick up pointers and what not for my reviews and was wondering really.Do diffrent devices produce diffrent vapor cause in alot of them they always say this device produces more and what not where as i thought it was all down to

the atty
the juice
the mix

correct me if im wrong.

And i also know its down to the voltage used.

[deesigner]

I do find that the GGTS produces copious amounts of vapour, even more than my SD and my SD produces a lot. Personally I find that I get much more vapour with my LR901's than with LR510's if that helps

[Perpetua]

I guess there'll always be the 'rose tinted' opinion Roachie . . . and if someone has spent a shed load on a mod, they're almost obliged to say how fantastic it is in order to justify the expense to themselves?

[delboy]

I must admit that when i watch the reviews the bloke will say...oh tons of vapour. But i don't think i've seen a review where there was no vapour.
I'm not too bothered by how much i get as long as i get enough. (vapour roochie).

I think as long as you get throat hit and have a good dense amount of vapour then you're sorted.

[roachieuk (aka eciggery2011)]

Ah thank you dee just one of thos lil mystery questions i had about vapeing.

All input is good input as it helps me gather more info even tho my vaeping file gets bigger and bigger with all this information lol.

[vereybowring]

Personally flavour is the first consideration for me and second is vapour as I like the warmth of the vapour in my throat and lungs - but I tend to use 50/50 so that's no problem. TH is not really that important to me since I used to smoke fine quality tobacco which was very mellow.

I don't personally get much more vapour using a passthrough compared to my Monster Mod, but get less using a Riva XL(I think the parallel 18650 batteries account for alot with that). Taste and TH is about similar on 3.7V LR compared to 5V standard R for me, but again I think the Riva XL has slightly less of both.

All my stuff is 510 at the moment as I have yet to venture to the 901 side for a shufty.
I am going to get a LR306 to test flavours on though as I had a bash on one and found flavour was excellent.

I tried a few carto types but didn't find one I liked before I started using clearos in tanks, so I've stuck with them for the moment.
I will probably never use carts again except smart cart types perhaps to do some flavour testing.


As has been said though it is a very subjective thing this vaping lark and people do seem to love their newest mod the best.
Personally even at home I am constantly using the pass through and MM all day as the coils in the clearos get really hot so I have both next to me for use.

Outdoors the MM does great and I get loads of vapour and taste out there too unless it is really windy - when you never know what vapour you're getting due to it being whipped away and the taste is down slightly I assume due to a drop in temperature.

[roachieuk (aka eciggery2011)]

yes i agree with all sides on this subject as i for me vapour isnt of importance but TH and flavour is as i was used to smoking dry tobacco as i prefferd it this was before i started vapein.

I have tried LR901,s but found they zapped the juice after one vape and that was using same method as always as when i drip to test flavours.

I think LR501,s are top end for me as i use LR510s as and when but mainly clearos and tanks like verey.As i think tbh i come into vapeing just at the right time as when i first started clearos were just rolling out.

I find the vapor and the TH on clearos alot more rather than an atty.

but its quiet an intresting subject as its very subjective to the user and the equipment.

[Jezarel]

I have started working into my reviews on the show about the device producing more vapour. I have started to slip back into doing it but I see the logic in the same way as you mate. It passes current to an attie and that's what heats the juice.

The only way to do it is to use the same kit in the pv every time. So make sure its always a fresh charged battery a brand new attie (with the same resistance) and if its a E-cig review then the same juice. That way you are getting closer to giving everyone you do the same chance

But its not that easy. If you use the same battery for 6 months in the end its going to wimp, not all atties are created equal so that might put a dampener on the review. I noticed that with a juice review I did last week and one of the atties I used were on the way out. I did a 6min recording slagging the juice off put it in a different atomiser and the vapour was so thick I could chew it.

Who said being a reviewer was an easy life eh?

Regards
Jez

[hifistud]

There's actually some maths involved in this. What's happening in any atomiser or carto is that a liquid is being "boiled" and producing vapour. That happens at a specific temperature, and it takes a specific amount of energy (heat) to raise a specific volume of the liquid to the required temperature. As the liquid takes up the energy, then more needs to be "pumped in".

So, an atomiser with a larger heating surface (the coil) is - or can be - capable of heating a larger volume of liquid per unit time. and thus creating more vapour - more liquid reaching the required temperature=more vapour. After that, it's down to whether the battery is capable of delivering the required wattage (voltage x current) to actually get that volume of liquid up to the temperature in a short enough time.

Naturally, there must also be an adequate supply of liquid to the heating surface, too - else it dries out and you'll get a "burnt" or "dry" taste.

I'll go and sharpen the rubbers now...

[Jezarel]

So the only thing that would effect this on an e-cig side would the internal resistance of the e-cig itself?

You know Im slow on the uptake Mr D so be patient with the padwan.

Jez

[profbeard]

Whilst there ARE differences between the "battery holder" bit of devices due to resistance/materials used etc, my view is that these variations are neglible and vapour is function of voltage/atomiser/juice.

I did a "blind test" where I set up a Screwdriver, Super T and Fistpack with the same juice and atties (LR901) (with fresh batteries and fistpack set to around 4.1/4.2 volts). Just drawing on them "blind" (without touching the devices) I couldn't in all honesty tell the difference...

[hifistud]

Jun 3, 2011 9:50:50 GMT profbeard said:

Whilst there ARE differences between the "battery holder" bit of devices due to resistance/materials used etc, my view is that these variations are neglible and vapour is function of voltage/atomiser/juice.

And current, Prof - people place too much store in voltage, but a high voltage at low current capability produces a lower wattage - and it's the watts that count. You can stick a very capable atty on a device that is not capable of producing the required current, and it'll wimp out.

It's one of the reasons I've moved almost exclusively to IMR High Drain batteries - I need to know that they'll deliver >10 watts without barfing. Protected 18650s tend to be current limited to <2.5 amps, often quite a bit lower, and that doesn't provide the wattage I need.

[Jezarel]

Im ducking out and watching/learning, the academics are in the house. Make some noise

Jez

[profbeard]

Jun 3, 2011 10:13:15 GMT hifistud said:

Jun 3, 2011 9:50:50 GMT profbeard said:

Whilst there ARE differences between the "battery holder" bit of devices due to resistance/materials used etc, my view is that these variations are neglible and vapour is function of voltage/atomiser/juice.

And current, Prof - people place too much store in voltage, but a high voltage at low current capability produces a lower wattage - and it's the watts that count. You can stick a very capable atty on a device that is not capable of producing the required current, and it'll wimp out.

It's one of the reasons I've moved almost exclusively to IMR High Drain batteries - I need to know that they'll deliver >10 watts without barfing. Protected 18650s tend to be current limited to <2.5 amps, often quite a bit lower, and that doesn't provide the wattage I need.

Fair point Dave. In my test they all had equivalent quality batteries and I was using 1.7ohm atties. I haven't hit the problem you describe myself - I'm using both high drain and standard protected AWs in my Apex and can't say I've noticed a difference...

[roachieuk (aka eciggery2011)]

Ok so lets say i had

1 180mah battery 510 SR Atty
1 900mah battery 510 SR Atty

Would there be a difference in vapor or would it be the same.The reason im asking these questions is because ive tried a few devices not on different voltages as im just getting into that.So how can people say one device causes more?