The E cig has landed. . . . Tesco.

[Perpetua]

Indeed, Jason is also entitled to his opinion . . . probably more so having just spent a small fortune in protecting his company's interests against the designs of the FDA/Administration in America.

[buckowski]

Wise words from Jason.

He must be some kind of Nostradamus then.

Prolonged inhalation of Vegetable Glycerin, Propylene glycol and flavourings is safe and isn't going to harm you?

How would he know. Come back in 40 years time, then I may be a believer.

I use e-cigs as I'm addicted to nicotine, and I think they're a safer alternative to smoking.

But E-cigs safe? No way.

The human body was not built to inhale at these amounts and levels. There will be harm done. Just no one knows what the damage will be yet.

[itsmeitis]

Jun 22, 2011 17:36:33 GMT Perpetua said:

Indeed, Jason is also entitled to his opinion . . . probably more so having just spent a small fortune in protecting his company's interests against the designs of the FDA/Administration in America.

ambition would seem to assume that ecigs will be here long term perhaps permanantly.

[itsmeitis]

Jun 22, 2011 17:42:41 GMT buckowski said:

Wise words from Jason.

He must be some kind of Nostradamus then.

Prolonged inhalation of Vegetable Glycerin, Propylene glycol and flavourings is safe and isn't going to harm you?

How would he know. Come back in 40 years time, then I may be a believer.

I use e-cigs as I'm addicted to nicotine, and I think they're a safer alternative to smoking.

But E-cigs safe? No way.

The human body was not built to inhale at these amounts and levels. There will be harm done. Just no one knows what the damage will be yet.

i could not sypathise with any claim that ecigs are unharmful as i could not possibly know. i do not assume that vaping is free from consequence either but do believe vaping is much less harmful than smoking by a long long way. this sets the scene for this and other forums. the two do vary from each other and membership of these forums tends to enphasise this view. together these communities will make informed decisions and learn from one anothers individual experiences. the introduction of misinformation will not progress the vaping communities as set up and it becomes unfortunate that misguided opinions still tend to exist. it will be a shame if everyone conforms to such label.

[Clutter]

I quit smoking in April 2005.

I resumed smoking in November 2010. That certainly wasn't due to nicotine addiction.

I quit smoking end December 2010 when I started vaping.

I don't believe I am addicted to nicotine but I know I am psychologically addicted to the pleasure of draw, inhale and exhale. If nicotine were wiped from the universe I would still vape.

*Is my post the equivalent of Politicos saying "I smoked MJ but I didn't inhale ???

[Chrissie]

Jun 22, 2011 16:59:55 GMT buckowski said:

Chrissie, hypothetical question...

If E-cigs were ever banned and you could not in any way get supplies, would you return to being a smoker?

Try going 2 days without your E-cig now...I've tried it, absolute nightmare, worse than going without smokes it is.

I honestly think that a massive percentage of current vapers would return to the smokes if vaping was unattainable, no question.

Yes, IF & that's a big IF they where banned & I couldn't get my supplies from China or anywhere else, then no doub I would go back to smoking. Same as some folks who permanently use nic patches/gums. I hope that someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the NHS quit clinics do add into their success rates folks who have stopped smoking but still use nic patches etc?

Once again, I do understand Hifi's & ECCA stance. However, I think telling anyone considering or new to e-cigs, that it wont help them quit smoking is going to do us so much harm. They will just think they might as well stick to smoking

[Chrissie]

Good post Clutts I agree, for many folks it's the psychological side that is the hardest nut to crack - hence why patches etc don't work for most folks.

[Clutter]

Jun 22, 2011 19:52:53 GMT Chrissie said:

Good post Clutts I agree, for many folks it's the psychological side that is the hardest nut to crack - hence why patches etc don't work for most folks.

I could never roll the patches tight enough to get a good draw

[Chrissie]

PMSL Clutts

[Perpetua]

It's a fascinating debate, there's no doubt . . . although I know for me personally, if I couldn't get supplies from anywhere I'd be back on the ciggies tomorrow.

Ecigs for me provide a healthier, cheaper, less anti social means of obtaining a nicotine hit and I'd very much like them to be around for as long as possible so as many smokers as is possible are able to have access to educated, well informed advice about making what could be a life changing decision for them.

[igetcha]

hi all,

my personal thoughts on this matter.........


i appreciate that there are people who believe that saying e-cigs help people to quit smoking is bad and will lead to a ban, but what those people seem to forget is that the MHRA already have a massive stash of signed confessions from people who told them that they DO help people to quit!

and the thousands of people who told the MHRA that e-cigs help people to quit smoking were actually encouraged to contact them and tell them about it!

what am i talking about i hear you ask!



well, lets back track to February 2010.........myself, Hifi, Smoke2Vape, Grimm green and many, many others all recorded videos to highlight the threat of an upcoming UK ban and urged people to go along to the MHRA website and submit a written statement to express what a terrible effect the banning of e-cigs would have on our lives


for example:-

My vid -

Hifi's vid -

Grimms vid -

and there are tons more too!



my vid has now had 10,000 views, Daves has had 2000 views, Grimms has now had 6000 views etc etc etc..........add all the views together for every video that is asking for people to go along to the MHRA website and it becomes a considerable amount!

granted, only a certain percentage of those viewers would have actually gone to the MHRA website and filled out the form, but even if only 20% of the people did then it still has to be a good few thousand id wager

next, consider the type of statements that people submitted...........do you think they told them that e-cigs have NOT helped them quit smoking, or do you think the vast majority (if not all of them!) told the MHRA that e-cigs HAVE helped them quit smoking??

so basically, people can post what they like about whether e-cigs have or have not helped people quit.........it doesnt matter, the MHRA already have a huge stash of evidence to suggest the majority of people DO think e-cigs have helped people quit smoking! lol


there have been many interesting analogies in this thread and i dont think anyone's particular views are right or wrong. at the end of the day, we are ALL on the same team and dont want e-cigs banned.........its just that some people have their own ideas and beliefs about the best course of action, whereas others have a different thought process

but regardless of peoples personal beliefs and opinions, the fact remains that all parties involved dont want e-cigs banned..........so i dont think any particular person has any right to dictate to another particular person what is the correct thing to do at this present time


personally, i DONT see e-cigs as quit SMOKING device..........but (in my own personal opinion!) i DO see them as a quit TOBACCO device

i uploaded my 1st review to YouTube back in 2008 and since then i would estimate that i have received well over 8,000 emails and YouTube messages from people telling me that they want to quit smoking and are considering using an e-cig to do so.
i answer all messages and often build up a "friendship" with those people who regularly keep me updated with their vaping progress. i would estimate that a good few thousand of those people have written back to me at one stage to say that they have completely quit smoking cigarettes but absolutely love vaping and have no intention of quitting e-cigs.
by contrast, i could probably count on one hand the amount of people who have written back to me to say that they have completely quit cigarettes PLUS have now completely quit e-cigs too. however, i can then also count on my other hand the amount of people who have written to me to say that they have quit smoking cigarettes but are still vaping..........although they now only vape zero nic e-liquid as they have also quit nicotine!


so that above paragraph highlights that a very large section of people view e-cigs as a quit smoking device. it also shows that a large section of people have used e-cigs to quit tobacco but NOT nicotine, and it also shows that some people have used e-cigs to quit tobacco AND nicotine..........which kinda makes everybodys opinions in this thread both right and wrong, lol



worst case scenario, lets say a ban does eventually come into place.........will it stop us vaping? i very, very much doubt it!
if i wanted to, i could go meet some guy down a dark alley and purchase any type of illegal drug that i wanted to...........so if crap like heroin, coke, speed etc etc can still be purchased (though illegally) then cant see buying e-liquid being too much hassle either. though admittedly it wont be a pleasant purchasing experience, lol

but people also need to remember that as far as im aware any ban would only restrict the sale of nicotine based e-liquids WITHIN the UK...........so if a ban happens then there will be nothing to stop us purchasing from china etc or for the UK suppliers to simply go and set up their businesses abroad in an e-cig friendly country!
so it just means that we have to wait an extra day or 2 for delivery and postage costs will increase a bit..........im cool with that........better than going completely without!


cheers

scott

[Clutter]

Well said Scott

[Perpetua]

Hello and welcome Scott!

Lovely to see you here - what took you so long???!!!

As you say, there are no rights or wrongs per se . . . we should all be working together to preserve as best we can what we have . . . . and if that is not possible in the form we currently know it, looking for other methods of supply.

[vereybowring]

Woopsie, I seem to have inadvertantly dropped a MOAB on the forum.

Relax, have a vape, consider peoples opinions - I know I tend to look at things in a certain way and I'm a bit stubborn opinion wise.
Talk is good, differing opinions is excellent as it can promote reasoned thought. Then again people get their hackles up quite easily especially when it's such a devisive topic.

E cigs are here, people use them.
Some have quit smoking, some are alternative smokers.
At the end of the day most of us have come to rely on our little vaporising friends and want to keep it that way.

There are rules to argument which mean you lose in many ways.
Calling into question someone else's opinion, intellect or other personal ideals means you lose if you do not have hard evidence to back yourself with. I know I've been guilty of losing that way a fair bit in my life and will again I have no doubt.

Arguing about nomenclature is what bureacrats do and will continue to do to keep themselves in work - that is what in essence this all comes down to.
Little grey men are being paid somewhere to make us argue with each other instead of supporting each other so they can slip regulations into our lives we don't want.
I am a vaper, that is what I am, I haven't quit anything and I am addicted to many things, which include nicotine, but most strongly to living which is what the most argumentative need to get back to rather than trying to best each other.

* I've read it back and I sound a bit over the top too, hey I can live with it as long as I haven't upset anybody too much.

[Perpetua]

Jun 22, 2011 22:52:41 GMT vereybowring said:

Woopsie, I seem to have inadvertantly dropped a MOAB on the forum.

Not at all Verey, it's been/is a very thought provoking discussion - that I've enjoyed reading and partaking in.

It would be a hugely boring world if we all thought the same and agreed with each other all the time wouldn't it?