The E cig has landed. . . . Tesco.

[hifistud]

Jun 22, 2011 15:50:13 GMT itsmeitis said:

wot a load of old contradiction you provide.

you are neither of the organisations you represent through your views.

and no-one here was looking to buy insurance.
on the possitive side though david, at least you accept your talking out someone elses annals.

Please understand - I'm not representing any organisation - I'm simply telling you what they're planning and how they will, ultimately, win. Look at any ECITA member's website, at the bottom, where they tell you that e-cigs are not quit smoking devices. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that TW was told to remove any and all posts that claimed quitting from their website? Stop thinking I'm weeing on your parade, and try to understand the politics - some of us have battling TPTB over this for nearly two years...

My last post in this thread.

[itsmeitis]

not true david. you said different to what you say now, and try to justify by blaming outside influences.

step up man. have some pride. stop trying to install your nonsense on others. tesco are selling ecigs. you were wrong.

use the appropriate context and at the appropriate time if or when it arises.

we are educated adults. youre opinion is misplaced rubbish and you have no need to attempt to alter the opinion of those with greater pride than you.

[buckowski]

Ismeitis...if you can just for 1 sec refrain from the winding up, do you know anyone who has quit smoking, used E-cigs, then quit?

I'd seriously like to know.

I've introduced E-cigs to literally dozens of smokers since I started, and every one of them is still either using E-cigs, or are back on the smokes...no one i know personally has quit both...

The only genuine quitter I've come across was on a forum.

Thery really are not a cessation product.

[itsmeitis]

Jun 22, 2011 16:33:19 GMT buckowski said:

Ismeitis...if you can just for 1 sec refrain from the winding up, do you know anyone who has quit smoking, used E-cigs, then quit?

I'd seriously like to know.

I've introduced E-cigs to literally dozens of smokers since I started, and every one of them is still either using E-cigs, or are back on the smokes...no one i know personally has quit both...

The only genuine quitter I've come across was on a forum.

Thery really are not a cessation product.

please at least recognise my intelect even if you cant find a way to respect it.

if i claim i know persons whom quit then i make the claim from experience and in complete context.

i do not need to incorporate hypathetical argument as my argument is played out on a daily basis and you seem to accept that you experience it yourself.

hypatheticaly i would donate my ecigs to either you or david if alas the world was definately about to end at midnight. guess what, dont count on my fantastic collection of ecigs.

it is not my intention to wind up but if frustration has found you, it is perhaps due to the failing argument you subscribe to.

[buckowski]

Ah well, I tried to be civil...

Are you a fast typer, or do you just not know how to spell those big long words?

So you personally know quitters of both smoking and E-cigs...well call me a sceptic but I think in fact you're telling porkies.

[Chrissie]

Hifi, I completely understand that we don't want e-cigs classed as a medicine. But I really don't think that a few folks posting on a forum saying they have quit smoking thanks to e-cigs is going to make the MHRA do so. For starters, only a small % of e-cig users belong to the forums, so how the heck do you stop the larger % telling all & sundry that they have quit?

I also worry that if we keep saying that we haven't quit & that e-cigs are only an alternative method of feeding our nicotine addiction - that will also bite us in the bum. Firstly because they will be considered as useless in the battle to help smokers quit & secondly, surely they could also end up being classified as a medicine as they are feeding our addiction?

Another thing, on ECF every day there are new members posting saying that they have quit smoking thanks to the e-cig. None of the moderators, ECITA members etc are telling them they haven't quit.

[itsmeitis]

Jun 22, 2011 16:49:17 GMT buckowski said:

Ah well, I tried to be civil...

Are you a fast typer, or do you just not know how to spell those big long words?

So you personally know quitters of both smoking and E-cigs...well call me a sceptic but I think in fact you're telling porkies.

and i would be concerned as to your opinion because?

[collie2011]

Well said Chrissie. I personally know 1 person who quit using an e-cig 9 months ago and hasn't smoked or used an e-cig again since. He gave me my first e-cig. I also know 6 people who have quit using NRT's and are now between 6-9 months cigarette free. I also know of several people that my father in law has helped quit smoking through hypnotherapy. Different things for different people! Everyone assumes I am quitting smoking when they see me using my e-cig, public perception of them is as a nicotine replacement device.

[buckowski]

Chrissie, hypothetical question...

If E-cigs were ever banned and you could not in any way get supplies, would you return to being a smoker?

Try going 2 days without your E-cig now...I've tried it, absolute nightmare, worse than going without smokes it is.

I honestly think that a massive percentage of current vapers would return to the smokes if vaping was unattainable, no question.

[buckowski]

Jun 22, 2011 16:56:07 GMT itsmeitis said:

Jun 22, 2011 16:49:17 GMT buckowski said:

Ah well, I tried to be civil...

Are you a fast typer, or do you just not know how to spell those big long words?

So you personally know quitters of both smoking and E-cigs...well call me a sceptic but I think in fact you're telling porkies.

and i would be concerned as to your opinion because?

Because you're the Daddy-o

[Perpetua]

I was explaining/demonstrating an ecig to a customer, only just last week, who had come into the shop looking for the herbal cigarettes we stock ( which still have a fair percentage of tar in them ) . . . after I'd run through my spiel, he said to me " so you've just switched from one nicotine delivery to another " yes said I, except it's a healthier way.

H&B used to stock ecigs when they first were launched, being an American company, the moment the FDA started sniffing around them, they were dropped from the assortment like a ton of hot bricks.

I'd also say, that this is an interesting discussion, where all points of view are welcome, but I don't see the need to resort to a spiky or personal tone on it . . .

[itsmeitis]

when i took up vaping it did not involve my subscribing to the opinion of a few inflated ego's parading as the self appointed Smoke Police.
i took up vaping mainly because there is a liklyhood that smoking kills, closely followed by the esculating costs. i also liked it.
my intention is to save money in the short term and maintain or improve my health in the extended period.
i wiould not reconsider my description of "quit smoking" unless i decided to revisit the unhealthy habit which was smoking.
my vaping will not include the egotistic views of self imposed thought controllers, however i would not even attempt to deny my nicoteen addiction.

i am not the daddy nor do i aspire to be. i mealy corrected the silly opinion of the person determined to influence and re-label in persuit of satisfying their seperate self gratification.

[Perpetua]

You are entitled to your opinion Ismeitis, as indeed everyone else is on the forum.

I would however respectfully request you refrain from name calling, it's not necessary - we're all adults here and can disagree with one another without resorting to being disagreeable.

Please do not spoil what is a very interesting discussion.

Thank you.

[itsmeitis]

We sell all types of Electronic smoking devices. The E.Cigarette, E.Cigar or E.Pipe is the answer to the elusive question every smoker asks

"Is my addiction to nicotine going to kill me"?

The Electronic Cigarette answers the question in a positive way, "not if you use me"

It truly gives the Smoker the satisfaction of a real cigarette without the harmful Tar, Carcinogens or multiple poisons inhaling burning tobacco smoke delivers..

Our aim at the The Electronic Cigsarette Company is to become the Market leader in providing affordable quality Electronic Cigarettes to smokers...You can use it to quit or Beat The Smoking Ban..

the opinion of a Managing Director also known to millions worldwide as wicked old Jason.

[itsmeitis]

Jun 22, 2011 17:22:45 GMT Perpetua said:

You are entitled to your opinion Ismeitis, as indeed everyone else is on the forum.

I would however respectfully request you refrain from name calling, it's not necessary - we're all adults here and can disagree with one another without resorting to being disagreeable.

Please do not spoil what is a very interesting discussion.

Thank you.

you have my apology perpetua as does anyone else who feels i have been offensive or personal. my intention is not to offend but defend the integrity of our hobby and passtime or whatever anyone else would otherwise choose to describe it.