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[djs]

Hi. Unfortunately, all your interesting thoughts are wasted, since your ecig (I have one too) is incompatible with almost everything on the market. I no longer use mine. You have a tough decision to make.
As you are off the cigarettes and enjoying vaping, maybe you'd have time to order some bargain kit from fast tech? Then you'd have two systems, which is what some jacvapour users ended up doing.
It upsets me in some ways. Jacvapour are good guys, but the "fitting" business is depressing.

[blakey]

If you are that worried about silica then there are things you can do, boiling the wick will remove any loose fibres- you will need to do this after the wick has been cut to the required length. Then you can dry burn the wick to remove any excess sticky out bits
In practise though I've found that once the wick is soaked in juice the chance of airborne particles is greatly reduced and once the wick has been used for a short period any loose and possible to become detached particles will have already done so.
Try ekowool instead of silica, it isn't anywhere near as brittle.

[giles]

Alex

To answer your questions:

You can drip into a steel mesh atomiser that has no wick. Bauway 306 is commonly thought to be the best. Available in many places including www.vapeescape.co.uk/Vaping-Spares/Atomisers--Cartridges/Bauway-306-LR-Atomiser.html

The Jac batteries won't work with it, and it will kill most cigarette-sized batteries pretty quickly. You need something bigger - www.vapeescape.co.uk/Vaping-Spares/Batteries--Passthroughs/Joyetech-EGo-C-650-Battery.html is probably the minimum. Get two so that you have one on charge.

That said, the wick won't be causing your sore throat. A shift to pure VG juice should fix it - it did mine. I moved back to PG (pure PG eventually, for other reasons) after a few days with no problems, but I still keep VG available which I use if I get a cold.

There's quite a lot of people who have specific health worries which the rest of us think bizarre or 'fads'. I've no doubt that at least one or two of those people are right, and you may just be one of them.

Some people drip as a normal way of vaping, but most of us think it is too much faff. You can use something that contains a good amount of liquid (half a day's worth or more) which doesn't use silica, but it is more work. Many people like this www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=196 (with a mesh wick)

Or (easier) you could get something like this www.vapeescape.co.uk/Vaping-Spares/Clearomisers/EVOD-BC-Clearomiser.html and replace the silica wick with ecowool www.vape-atomizer-mesh.com/products/Ekowool.html You'll need wire as well. Google the how-to videos

Good luck!

[Deleted]

hello all

thanks for helpful replies. Sorry to be a downer with silica wick thing as my first contribution
to the forum! Here are the links if anyone is still interested:

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/282294-using-natural-fibre-wick-e-cigarettes.html

Inthis link the discussion regarding silica starts on PAGE 4 : www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/279818-phlegm-starting-vaping-4.html#post5681855

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/284030-wick-materials-safe-vs-dangerous.html

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html


And GILES ; thanks very much for the info will be sure to check these out

[Kaaru]

Alo, new users will be very concerned when it comes to things they see, hear and read about e-cigs and quite rightly so.....if you don`t ask, you don`t find out

I hope seeing both sides of the coin has alleviated any concerns you had...I didn`t even read those threads, but do recall seeing the issue of silica fibres over the forums in the past....

[giles]

Thanks for the links Alex.

My conclusion after scanning through them is that silica wicks are OK because they are made of amorphous rather than crystalline silica, and it is crystalline which is potentially damaging.

I rewick my own, and have been thinking of switching to ekowool anyway because people say the taste is better. I don't think this amounts to another reason for doing so, but maybe not having to read all that stuff does.

[Deleted]

Giles

again thanks for the help. Had a look at the links you sent
and the bauway atomiser and ego batteries look very promising indeed.
Out of interest : how long do these atomisers last ? I am a pretty light vaper... i think
i normally get through about one carto a day , sometimes less and i think thats about 1ml
on the jacvapour set up maybe 0.9 If i run the ego batteries at a low voltage do you have any idea
one of those atomisers may last? Thanks again for all your help.

Also as a side note: it seems there also concerns about stainless steel mesh now!
the Russian guy who posted seems to think that prganic fibres are safest; but a lot of others
are now saying that cotton bamboo etc if burnt give off carbon monoxide and carcinogens

It seems you can't really win either way . I suppose it is to be expected ; habitually inhaling any
substance that isn't supposed to be in your body isn't going to be without risks . I suppose it's
about making those risks as low as possible, and from my research so far the risks with vaping
seem to significantly smaller than smoking cigarettes . But then there aren't many things which are as harmful
as a full blown cigarette addiction.

[Perpetua]

Welcome to you Alex.

A Bauway 306 atomiser should last you a good length of time, they're known for their longevity. Mine last for months although they are not my main day to day delivery systems. As much as I enjoy dripping, it isn't always the most convienent method of getting your nicotine fix. You may find the same.

Personally, I wouldn't get too hung up on this silica wick business. A non issue can easily be over dramatized is my thinking.

If you're getting a sore throat, which is quite common when folks first make a switch from cigarettes to vaping, try a slightly different technique from how you would smoke. Take a couple of draws, then hold the vapour in your mouth for a few seconds, before you inhale/exhale.

[Deleted]

Perpetua , Hi

And thanks. Will get one of those bauway attys i think.
The sore throat seems to come and go and may be just a symptom
of smoking cessation, or any number of things i suppose. What does concern me
are the microscope slides the fellow on the forum provided clearly showing shards
of silica in exhaled. Sore throat or not, i don't really see how this is not a concern

[Perpetua]

Each to their own Alex . . . it doesn't concern me and I've no intention of discontinuing my use of silica wick.

If you're that bothered, then do as Blakey in #16 suggests.

[Deleted]

Hello Perpetua

Yes ,each to their own i agree . I really am not trying to be tendentious
but why does it not bother you? I only ask because i don't really know anything about
silica fragments - just that they are harmful, or maybe in some instances- and if you
see a reason why this is not a cause for concern , I would like to know.

[giles]

Jul 15, 2013 14:32:40 GMT @alopezg1 said:

if you
see a reason why this is not a cause for concern , I would like to know.

Particles don't matter that much unless they a) stay in your lungs and b) damage them. Amorphous silica doesn't appear to do either.

Total particle count for vapour is a tiny fraction of that for cigarettes.

We all decide what we will worry about and what we won't, particularly when the risks are impossible to quantify. I look at evidence when it appears, but for the moment, for instance, I choose to worry more about the likelihood of the politicians banning this stuff than the chance the stuff will do me harm, because I think (though cannot prove) that being unable to vape is more likely to lead to an early death for me.

[Deleted]

Hi Giles

thanks for the info once again. I agree vaping is undoubtedly a much safer option
than cigarette smoking

[Adam78]

Hi alopezg1 & welcome to the forum. I understand your concerns regarding silica, as I shared them myself when I first started vaping, but in this case I honestly believe there is nothing to worry about.

Did you read the entire thread (the last link you posted) Boden makes some very good points which put my mind at rest.

To put it simply the aerodynamic diameter of a the (wet or dry) silica fiber we use is too large to reach deep enough into the lungs to do damage. If It does get into the upper airways it will be broken into smaller bits by the movement of the cilia and ejected from the body through the digestive tract.

To help you visualize the size difference between the largest size that is respirable and the size of the fibers we use:

I must admit though that I have switched to using Ekowool silica wick (I use it to re-build the coil in an Evod clearomizer) instead of the standard silica wick

www.vape-atomizer-mesh.com/products/2mm--2-000-Micron-or-12-AWG--Ekowool-Wick---1-Metre-Length-2425.html

It's a lot more robust and less likely to shed any fibres. Have a read of these 2 threads

Silica Wicks?

Different types of wick? Ekowool Silica?

[Perpetua]

Jul 15, 2013 14:32:40 GMT @alopezg1 said:

Hello Perpetua

Yes ,each to their own i agree . I really am not trying to be tendentious
but why does it not bother you? I only ask because i don't really know anything about
silica fragments - just that they are harmful, or maybe in some instances- and if you
see a reason why this is not a cause for concern , I would like to know.

Life's too short to get hung up on what may or may not happen . . . I smoked 40/50 cigarettes a day come the finish, for almost 4 decades Alex. Vaping in my mind is healthier for me than my cigarette habit was, be that using silica wick or otherwise. My only brother died suddenly at 44 of a smoking related disease, it's a life changing event as cliched as that sounds. Things that used to concern me, I realize were totally unimportant in the scheme of things.

I'm not blase, but I am philosophical . . . none of us know what is around the corner for us in this life. I intend to enjoy what's left of mine without looking over my shoulder.