dot1ml - feedback & discussion

[padiho]

Well I think its great, now I've got the gist of it

[NickIcon]

The rounding error should now be fixed:

padiho's Lemon ice
30ml @ 12mg/ml, 50/50

Nic base(54mg/ml, 100/0)	22%	6.67ml
PG	10%	2.93ml
VG	50%	15.00ml
Extreme ice	15%	4.50ml
Lemon	3%	0.90ml

Edit/copy/share this recipe: dot1ml.com/mixer/8p6n6mr

[lemental]

NickIcon Really impressed with the flavour autofill. I thought it may be impossible but you've made it happen!!

May I suggest a little change? The '+' and '-' buttons for target juice quantity adjust in steps of 5. I know you can type a more exact volume manually but I think steps of 1 would be easier, especially if making minor tweaks and working backwards (if that makes sense!)

[NickIcon]

lemental, by working backwards do you mean like trying to use up that last 1.2ml of butterscotch flavouring?

I think that for the majority of use cases it will be more useful to have 5ml steps for the +/- buttons and that 1ml steps could actually prove annoying in comparison. Does anyone else have any strong feelings either way?

I hope that I'm not coming across as dismissive - the site only has a handful of people using it so I'm trying to let feedback accumulate for a while. This sort of decision will be easier to make if & when there is a larger user base.

That said, I had been thinking of adding keyboard support for all the fields as well, i.e. pressing the up/down/+/- keys in the fields to change the values (in increments of 1). Tablets & touch screens aside, that should give you the functionality you're referring to. The framework for this is already mostly in place so if I find time this evening I may give it a go.

Just in case you're wondering how users will know what they can do that, I'm also planning a "learning mode" with hints and tips all over the place to provide help for new users & newbie mixologists. But that's all a little bit further down the line.

[padiho]

Aug 19, 2013 17:54:27 GMT NickIcon said:

The rounding error should now be fixed:

padiho's Lemon ice
30ml @ 12mg/ml, 50/50

Nic base(54mg/ml, 100/0)	22%	6.67ml
PG	10%	2.93ml
VG	50%	15.00ml
Extreme ice	15%	4.50ml
Lemon	3%	0.90ml

Edit/copy/share this recipe: dot1ml.com/mixer/8p6n6mr

Perfection Nick

[lemental]

NickIcon Nick, I was just thinking back to something I was trying to change in a mix a couple of weeks ago. I had a 10ml bottle of 10% juice and wanted to up it to 20% whilst not going over a target 12ml so that it would still fit in the bottle, so I played around with figures in my calculator to get something as near to my target nic level whilst not going over 12ml. I managed to get something like 14.5% target strength @20% flavour that I was content with.

Also I've come to learn that some people make target liquids that aren't a multiple of 5. Some do 3ml as test mixes and I know a vendor that always makes up 32ml for his 30ml bottles as they look 'more full'. In any case, it's not difficult to plug in these figures and I've noticed that if you do want a figure that's not a multiple of 5 on a regular basis, it can be saved as default.

I think the keyboard + and - idea would be a good implementation.

[NickIcon]

lemental, I've implemented the keyboard shortcuts I mentioned a few days ago so you can now adjust any numeric value in the mixer (or account page) by using the +/-/up/down keys when in the field. I do take on board the 3ml scenario as well - it's on my to do list!

[NickIcon]

I've just added what I'm hoping will two very useful features - support for uploading and downloading eJuice Me Up recipe files.

The formats eJMU and dot1ml use aren't fully equivalent so it is possible that some details differ after a conversion. Hopefully some clever calculations should ensure that at least the end values for any given recipe are accurately converted.

For example, dot1ml has no support for a separate diluent. If a diluent is used in eJMU, dot1ml will add a new "diluent" ingredient with the PG/VG ratio automatically set to a value that doesn't affect the recipe targets.

Unfortunately, eJMU does not support recipes comprising of more than 7 ingredients but that shouldn't be a problem for most mixers.

The new buttons should appear at the bottom of the mixer whenever applicable - you can even download an eJMU file without being logged in or for an unsaved recipe.

If anyone has a chance to try uploading/downloading a couple of their recipes I'd love to find out if it works correctly for you.

[lemental]

I've just tested a couple of EJMU recipes, both downloading and uploading. Both work perfectly.

That's a massive addition to your calculator NickIcon. Well done on the hard work involved!!

The '+' and '-' is working well too though it took a little time to realise that you had to have your cursor in the number field box for it to work

[NickIcon]

I've added a couple of new features to dot1ml in the hope of making it easier to use for beginners.

First is a "learning mode" that displays tips & hints for a number of features in the mixer. If enabled in your account settings (enabled by default if you're not logged in) the mixer will display a number of question mark symbols that will reveal quick contextual explanations when clicked on. Not all features have an explanantion yet but I will be adding more as time goes on.

Secondly is a feature which I think is unique to dot1ml: if you get any negative PG or VG values then an "auto adjust" button will appear next to the eliquid targets. When you click it, the mixer will attempt to balance the target PG/VG ratio and nicotine strength of your liquid to make it possible to mix without changing any ingredients.

Hope this is useful - let me know what you think.

[Herbie]

Hi
This is great! As. Mac user it's a real faff tying EJMUto run (it's do-able, but a pain) so thanks for this calculator.
As I am new to mixing, it's good that I can save my recipes, but it'd be great if there was an option to not make them public, as I imagine my recipes aren't going to be too good for a while, plus I do t want to clog up the public board.
Is that possible?

[padiho]

I really like it Nick, never use EJMU anymore. As I use an ipad all the time its perfect. Well done

[Bluefish]

Just discovered this, had a quick play and will give it a try over the weekend, looks great and most of all simple

[NickIcon]

Oct 18, 2013 16:50:57 GMT Herbie said:

Hi
This is great! As. Mac user it's a real faff tying EJMUto run (it's do-able, but a pain) so thanks for this calculator.
As I am new to mixing, it's good that I can save my recipes, but it'd be great if there was an option to not make them public, as I imagine my recipes aren't going to be too good for a while, plus I do t want to clog up the public board.
Is that possible?

Glad you're getting on well with it!

As it stands though, I don't have any plans for private recipes. Quoting from my response to the same question on ECF:

Yes, this means that there will be lots of experimental/work-in-progress recipes on the site but it also means that other users will be able to see these and hopefully learn from them, make improvements or just get inspiration for making their own.

Recipes can have notes/descriptions attached to them so I'm hoping mixers will use this to indicate whether or not their recipe is tried and tested or just a new idea they're hoping won't be disgusting. Early days yet, but a number of users do appear to be doing this so fingers crossed.

To add to that, one day I'll hopefully find time to work on a tagging system (think Twitter hashtags) which should make it easy to flag recipes as untested as well as filter them out of search results.

[Herbie]

Hi Nick
I just did a few recipes using slightly different flavour percentages, I saved them with different names, but they haven't saved- for example Maple caramel 2 overwrote maple caramel 1.
Am I doing something wrong?