Lots Of Questions, Sorry.

[siffy]

Sept 17, 2013 12:55:03 GMT Perpetua said:

I think the calculator Nick has created is compatible with the Ipad and Android phones Siffy.

It's also very straightforward to use.

dot1ml.com/

Thanks for that Mandy.

I am looking forward to payday now so I can place my order.

Am just wondering what you do when your kit arrives. Do you make just one single 5ml of it and wait two weeks to see if it's ok, in case it's naff. Or do say make 4 or 5 10ml bottles of it.

I imagine it must take a good few months to build up the supplies what with the 2 week wait. So I understand more cost to keep stock of pre made juice while waiting on diy to be ready.

Pretend it's you again Mandy how did you first start?

[Perpetua]

Sept 17, 2013 13:35:59 GMT siffy said:

Pretend it's you again Mandy how did you first start?

Think you might have missed my reply in the excitement Siffy.

Sept 17, 2013 13:31:52 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 17, 2013 13:25:40 GMT siffy said:

Thanks for that Mandy.

I am looking forward to payday now so I can place my order.

Am just wondering what you do when your kit arrives. Do you make just one single 5ml of it and wait two weeks to see if it's ok, in case it's naff. Or do say make 4 or 5 10ml bottles of it.

I imagine it must take a good few months to build up the supplies what with the 2 week wait. So I understand more cost to keep stock of pre made juice while waiting on diy to be ready.

Pretend it's you again Mandy how did you first start?

Not that great if I'm honest Siffy . . . mixing wasn't as popular, so it was even more trial and mainly error on my part then!

Knowing what I know now, I'd mix up 4-6 x 5ml samples in a 10ml bottle to give myself some ' tweaking ' room if needs be. Make a couple of flavours that will be good to go in a couple of days, as it's nice to test the results of your experiments, sooner rather than later. I think anyway.

The others I'd set aside and forget about for a couple of weeks . . . whilst you plan what else you're going to mix as you've been bitten by the mixing bug.

[siffy]

Sept 17, 2013 13:31:52 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 17, 2013 13:25:40 GMT siffy said:

Thanks for that Mandy.

I am looking forward to payday now so I can place my order.

Am just wondering what you do when your kit arrives. Do you make just one single 5ml of it and wait two weeks to see if it's ok, in case it's naff. Or do say make 4 or 5 10ml bottles of it.

I imagine it must take a good few months to build up the supplies what with the 2 week wait. So I understand more cost to keep stock of pre made juice while waiting on diy to be ready.

Pretend it's you again Mandy how did you first start?

Not that great if I'm honest Siffy . . . mixing wasn't as popular, so it was even more trial and mainly error on my part then!

Knowing what I know now, I'd mix up 4-6 x 5ml samples in a 10ml bottle to give myself some ' tweaking ' room if needs be. Make a couple of flavours that will be good to go in a couple of days, as it's nice to test the results of your experiments, sooner rather than later. I think anyway.

The others I'd set aside and forget about for a couple of weeks . . . whilst you plan what else you're going to mix as you've been bitten by the mixing bug.

Thank you very much Mandy I will do as you suggest. Oh I imagine it will not be a great taste first off my end..lol

I see lots of recipes on here and think I will go for liquorice tobacco and egg custard.

I am thinking on the 50/50 link karma posted but am not getting how to use that in conjunction with a recipe. Where it asks for the full nicotine, say it was 54 and I want a target of 18mg not sure what to press.

I don't know how to use it in conjunction with a recipe, as if it's a case of just add drops of flavour how many drops of what would I need to add?
Thanks again Mandy.

[siffy]

Sept 17, 2013 13:39:36 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 17, 2013 13:35:59 GMT siffy said:

Pretend it's you again Mandy how did you first start?

Think you might have missed my reply in the excitement Siffy.

Sept 17, 2013 13:31:52 GMT Perpetua said:

Not that great if I'm honest Siffy . . . mixing wasn't as popular, so it was even more trial and mainly error on my part then!

Knowing what I know now, I'd mix up 4-6 x 5ml samples in a 10ml bottle to give myself some ' tweaking ' room if needs be. Make a couple of flavours that will be good to go in a couple of days, as it's nice to test the results of your experiments, sooner rather than later. I think anyway.

The others I'd set aside and forget about for a couple of weeks . . . whilst you plan what else you're going to mix as you've been bitten by the mixing bug.

Sorry Mandy I did but I think my pad posted my message twice. Thanks for the reply you sent.

[Perpetua]

Sept 17, 2013 13:45:54 GMT siffy said:

Thank you very much Mandy I will do as you suggest. Oh I imagine it will not be a great taste first off my end..lol

I see lots of recipes on here and think I will go for liquorice tobacco and egg custard.

I am thinking on the 50/50 link karma posted but am not getting how to use that in conjunction with a recipe. Where it asks for the full nicotine, say it was 54 and I want a target of 18mg not sure what to press.

I don't know how to use it in conjunction with a recipe, as if it's a case of just add drops of flavour how many drops of what would I need to add?
Thanks again Mandy.

Providing the recipes overall flavouring percentage is around 20% then all you'll need to do is add that to your pre-mixed base Siffy. Syringes will give you a more accurate measurement, but for small amounts of flavour I use drops and work on 30 drops to a ml.

[siffy]

Sept 17, 2013 13:53:24 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 17, 2013 13:45:54 GMT siffy said:

Thank you very much Mandy I will do as you suggest. Oh I imagine it will not be a great taste first off my end..lol

I see lots of recipes on here and think I will go for liquorice tobacco and egg custard.

I am thinking on the 50/50 link karma posted but am not getting how to use that in conjunction with a recipe. Where it asks for the full nicotine, say it was 54 and I want a target of 18mg not sure what to press.

I don't know how to use it in conjunction with a recipe, as if it's a case of just add drops of flavour how many drops of what would I need to add?
Thanks again Mandy.

Providing the recipes overall flavouring percentage is around 20% then all you'll need to do is add that to your pre-mixed base Siffy. Syringes will give you a more accurate measurement, but for small amounts of flavour I use drops and work on 30 drops to a ml.

Ok thanks Mandy, very helpful.

[Perpetua]

Sept 17, 2013 13:54:59 GMT siffy said:

Sept 17, 2013 13:53:24 GMT Perpetua said:

Providing the recipes overall flavouring percentage is around 20% then all you'll need to do is add that to your pre-mixed base Siffy. Syringes will give you a more accurate measurement, but for small amounts of flavour I use drops and work on 30 drops to a ml.

Ok thanks Mandy, very helpful.

Think of it in terms of baking Siffy, which you love and are good at . . . all these individual ingredients make the finished product and you'll add them in varying amounts to make that. But, as Karma said earlier, I'd maybe make a couple of ' standalone ' flavours first, just whilst you're getting to grips with mixing. Which will be clearer once you're actually doing it.

A couple of simple success are more likely to inspire you to try something more adventurous next.

[Roscopecotrain]

If you want some juices that are good to go in a few days siffy then do a couple of single flavour fruits as they tend to be ready quicker.

Edit: My capella raspberry is a gorgeous golden colour now after just 5 days

[siffy]

Guys I have just read on the tobacco concentrate reviews about the perique black. If I'm reading it right it has no suggestions of sweet undertones at all, have any of you tried this? Could I use this on it's own as a first mix?

[Perpetua]

Wouldn't know as it's not my thing Siffy . . . have you read the reviews on Liberty Flights for it?

www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product_reviews.asp?id=15&subid=1513&product-name=Perique_Black_10ml

I see our Krueger is among the reviewers, he has a sound judgement on flavours.

Though with any of them you won't know until you actually try it. Flavourings are every bit as subjective as ready mixes are. 

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Perique Black is a background flavour, it is very very strong, it gives an bitter ashtray taste, often mixed with Dark Vapor at as low as 1 or 2% of each and then another good tobacco concentrate or extract as the main flavour.

The above mixed tobacco base is then very good mixed with say, some fruit flavours and a dash of EM.

[siffy]

Sept 19, 2013 19:53:28 GMT Perpetua said:

Wouldn't know as it's not my thing Siffy . . . have you read the reviews on Liberty Flights for it?

www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product_reviews.asp?id=15&subid=1513&product-name=Perique_Black_10ml

I see our Krueger is among the reviewers, he has a sound judgement on flavours.

Though with any of them you won't know until you actually try it. Flavourings are every bit as subjective as ready mixes are. 

Brilliant link, thanks ever so much Mandy.

Off to check it out.

[siffy]

Sept 19, 2013 21:09:28 GMT Frogster (The Alchemist) said:

Perique Black is a background flavour, it is very very strong, it gives an bitter ashtray taste, often mixed with Dark Vapor at as low as 1 or 2% of each and then another good tobacco concentrate or extract as the main flavour.

The above mixed tobacco base is then very good mixed with say, some fruit flavours and a dash of EM.

Thanks for coming in on this.

You see I'm not keen on a nutty, creamy, biscuity or fruit tobacco at all, am gutted as it really would make my life easier wouldn't it. So not a singelton flavour then?

I'll go check out the Dark Vapor to see what flavours come through on that review wise.

Thanks again for your help I really do need all the help I can get tbh. I just want to make a simple non fruity/biscuit/caramel tobacco juice for myself, just for day time use.

[siffy]

Sept 19, 2013 19:53:28 GMT Perpetua said:

Wouldn't know as it's not my thing Siffy . . . have you read the reviews on Liberty Flights for it?

www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product_reviews.asp?id=15&subid=1513&product-name=Perique_Black_10ml

I see our Krueger is among the reviewers, he has a sound judgement on flavours.

Though with any of them you won't know until you actually try it. Flavourings are every bit as subjective as ready mixes are. 

That link was brilliant Mandy! Thanks ever so much.

It also had the Bitter Wizzard info on too which reads up as just what I need, it removes the sugar sweet undertones of the vg and pg base that I can sadly taste.

Am going to read lots of flavours before I decide which to try, thanks again, just what I needed.