Hi! and good tobaaco juice recommendations please

[C&C]

Hi, thanks again for the info.

I'll try some Black Cat and some others from Enjuice, vapology and paradise liquids for starters. It looks like it is going to be difficult to find naturally derived tabacco flavoured or non strong fruit liquids without a lot more research.

I have some Dekang (UKcig cabin) RY4 which seemed ok without a lingering aftertaste but at 18mg I had to mix it with 6mg double mint to get the correct strength which obviously killed the subtlety of the blend! It took a day off vaping to get rid of the apple taste from the USA mix, so I can't recommend this. There is no naturally derived apple flavouring, if I'd known it contained this I would have reconsidered. The ingredients state herbal extracts though which implies naturally derived.

It's interesting, there are a lot of similarities between this and the essential/natural v synthetic compounds used in the perfume industry. I can see the e liquid manufacturing industry going in the same way, really IMO, the flavouring compounds used should be listed by the manufacturer in the same way that they must be on perfume. The trend here too seems to be for strong fruit over more complex/ subtle blends as it currently is in perfume.

Perpetua Thanks for the info, do you have a link to the site you took the text from please? If you can point me to any other websites/ articles for further reading that would be good, as you can probably tell I'm interested in the art of fragrance/flavour creation.

[ginge7289]

Black cat is really nice.

House of liquid use real tobbaco leaves to create their juices.

Why does it have to be natural? Half the foods we eat have manufactured flavourings.

[C&C]

ginge7289 The House of liquid blends look good. Everything recommended so far looks good, thankyou everyone.

It doesn't have to be completely natural. I think to get a tobacco blend naturally isn't possible. It's the 'fruit' additional flavourings that are too strong and sweet for me and have a permanent aftertaste. Natural flavourings don't have the aftertaste.

Obviously some blends and brands are better quality than others but as a newbie I have to go on recommendations. Some people perhaps don't notice the aftertaste especially if they are vaping constantly, which I'm not, and having all food taste of synthetic apple for a few days isn't good!

[ginge7289]

I know what you mean and I am still after some really good tobacco juices (black cat is my all day). What I noticed very early on is that some of the "bargain" juices tasted very bad. Since then I have stuck with the more notable vendors and their juices (all be it most are at a premium). As most of these are freshly mixed it is advised to leave them for at least a week for the flavours to blend and allow that synthetic taste to die off.

Hunt around for some 5 - 10ml samples and keep an eye in the for sale sections as there is normally some good juices to be had in there. One thing I have found is the flavours I expect to taste like they do when they are eaten don't so don't be scared to try things that may be out of your comfort zone

[Perpetua]

Sept 19, 2013 15:21:00 GMT C&C said:

Perpetua Thanks for the info, do you have a link to the site you took the text from please? If you can point me to any other websites/ articles for further reading that would be good, as you can probably tell I'm interested in the art of fragrance/flavour creation.

Surely C&C.

www.naturesflavors.com/

www.ecigexpress.com/diy-supplies/diy-flavorings/nature-s-flavors.html

The Perfumers Apprentice site is also worth a read through as they're one of the best for giving information on flavourings & fragrance:

shop.perfumersapprentice.com/

Flavour Art also have some information, although to a lesser extent:

www.flavourart.it/mainsite/?lang=en

[gordy180]

+1 For the house of liquids tobacco flavors and if u sign up to their club u get free samples with your order

[ginge7289]

Sept 19, 2013 19:37:12 GMT gordy180 said:

+1 For the house of liquids tobacco flavors and if u sign up to their club u get free samples with your order

What ones have you tried gordy180? Im about to put an order in with them this weekend for cigarillos and minatour

[gordy180]

At the moment I have chivalry. I have also tried another which I can't remember the name of I'll go have a look at the site to jog my memory. Found it. The other one was the el torro. I would say the chivalry is a love it or hate liquid

[gordy180]

what o would say ginge7289 is the chivalry imo is a great vape to have with I nice glass of malt whisky. That's if u like malt whisky

[Beatnik]

Hello...

Liberty flights Burley 18mg or JooseJuice Black Gold in any ratio you desire, I'm weaning myself off the Burley though.

Jim aka JooseJuice will do you buy one get one free on 30ml bottles, and Liberty flights have a discount code running, use newsletter07

www.liberty-flights.co.uk/category.asp?categoryid=5

and www.joosejuice.co.uk/shop/article_Black%2520Gold0001.001/30ml-Black-Gold-E-Liquid.html?sessid=j7nAcklO1oXvzb0Z4u9Rd4hyUOjtwqVtfQApAyQQTxus3iekjXV9MQkGXDq9YRCj&shop_param=cid%3D26%26aid%3DBlack%2520Gold0001.001%26

hope that helps

[zeldamum]

Welcome to the fourm C&C

Can't help you with flavours other than to say try some different ones, menthol is always a good fall back, don't like tabbacco flavours myself too much like vaping a ash tray for me.

Vaping dehydrates everyone so nothing unusual there.

[Romney]

Hiya Coffee and Cigs

[richo71]

Sept 19, 2013 10:38:36 GMT C&C said:

Hi, thanks for the welcomes and all the suggestions, will certainly try some recommended.

No recommendations/suggestions for organic/natural e juice suppliers though?

The problem with many eliquids and the aftertaste is the synthetic chemical compounds used to create the flavour. Generally, natural flavours don't leave an aftertaste. Suppliers don't seem keen on listing the ingredients used or stating which flavours are naturally derived or the sweetners used ie aspartame. Perhaps this is the wrong thread for this question?

Hi and welcome C&C from reading your posts it looks as though your after that vape that closely resembles real tobacco, from my understanding this is very close, please watch the first video on the page  www.houseofliquid.com/CIGARRILLOS-NATURALES-p/eltoro1.htm  it is a little on the expensive side but one thing i have learnt with e-liquid is you pay for what you get and happy   ps: i would also give celtic vapours RY4 a go they use 15% flavour in thier liquids

[keepitgoin]

Hiya Coffeandcigs, not just me then that finds the sweet fruit flavours cloying and, in my opinion not very nice. I too am new to vaping and have given up smoking (again) but this time I'm using a rechargable refillable cheapy. I am using a tobacco flavour at the minute that I got from a stall on a local Market (Penistone, near Barnsley) and its nicer than any "flavours" I tried. I used to smoke Rollups, so expected to want 24 strength eliquid, but I have found 18 fie, and am going to try less strength next week. I reckon I'll up the "harshness" of the flavour though. At £10 for 3x10ml its a LOT cheaper for a weeks vaping than 100g of tobbaco, and I'm sure as I get more into this new world (anything to distract me from smoking!) I'll get to find other people who want the taste of tobbaco!! Let me know how you get on finding a more "natural" flavour, as the sweet taste left by e-juice is something I would like to avoid as well. Oh and welcome by the way

[siffy]

Sept 21, 2013 23:58:53 GMT keepitgoin said:

Hiya Coffeandcigs, not just me then that finds the sweet fruit flavours cloying and, in my opinion not very nice. I too am new to vaping and have given up smoking (again) but this time I'm using a rechargable refillable cheapy. I am using a tobacco flavour at the minute that I got from a stall on a local Market (Penistone, near Barnsley) and its nicer than any "flavours" I tried. I used to smoke Rollups, so expected to want 24 strength eliquid, but I have found 18 fie, and am going to try less strength next week. I reckon I'll up the "harshness" of the flavour though. At £10 for 3x10ml its a LOT cheaper for a weeks vaping than 100g of tobbaco, and I'm sure as I get more into this new world (anything to distract me from smoking!) I'll get to find other people who want the taste of tobbaco!! Let me know how you get on finding a more "natural" flavour, as the sweet taste left by e-juice is something I would like to avoid as well. Oh and welcome by the way

Morning, I'm in that club too sadly. I don't know about you but I find it a ruddy pain having overly sensitive sweet taste receptors as it's making my morning vape a pain in the bum now. I have just ordered a liquid called HS Delight as the review on Vape Escape said non tasting/neutral and ashy, a good alternative from fruity caramel type flavours. I have also ordered a product from 28 vapes later called Bitter Wizzard as that read up well at canceling out that sweet after taste.

I have leant that the PV in our mix is naturally sweet so we might find most juices have that sweet aftertaste? That's why I'm going down the Bitter Wizard route so I can add it to my USA mix I have. It's funny as when I was vaping 24mg I honestly didn't get an after taste and it's since dropping the nicotine level that it's started. What doesn't help me at the moment is I'm still only 3 months into vaping and because my mind is still in the no taste, throat hit, lung fill memory zone I am truly finding it hard to accept sweetness in the morning. Yet I can happily vape vodka and lime or egg custard tart flavours after lunch, does the job lovely.

Have a search on HS Delight and Bitter Wizzard it might be something that would help you too?

www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product.asp?id=15

www.liberty-flights.co.uk/product_reviews.asp?id=153&subid=4974&product-name=HS_Delight_PG_10ML_Extra_High_2.4_percent_(24MG)