E-Cigs mentioned on Daybreak this morning

[esmecullen]

Saw Katherine from ECITA along with a doctor from the BMA on Daybreak this morning discussing whether E-Cigs should be banned from public places

Well...............words fail me with the BMA doc who gave a reason for a ban in public places as (not sure if I got this right) "if an ex-smoker smelt the vapour, he/she would most likely go back to smoking"

Did however like Katherine's mod that she brought with her and I hope someone gave that BMA doc a kick up the backside..............the smell would entice an ex-smoker back to smoking............oh pleeze lol

[tez]

By that way of thinking shut all pubs ,supermarkets,off licences breweries and corner shops in case a ex alcoholic is enticed to start drinking again

[joehel]

I saw the item while I was getting ready for work and went down to my hubby in amazement at the utterly ridiculous reasons that woman came out with. I can't believe a professional actually sat there and said that passive vaping might encourage an ex smoker to start again. I wonder if ex smokers are tempted after eating potatoes, cauliflower or tomatoes, which all contain nicotine??!!!

And to assert that plane passengers are lighting up real cigs because they see an e-cig user and think it's okay to smoke ... REALLY??!! I want to know where and when this happened because I frankly don't believe it!!!

I am saddened that ITV gave that ridiculous woman airtime.

[Phoenix .]

So, I smell the tobacco from someone smoking fags and I tempted to start smoking again?
What utter rubbish, I try to avoid smokers as I cannot bear the stink, may sound sanctimonious I know, but thats just how I feel about cigs now and I am proud of that.

Why don't these Doctor's ask vapers what would tempt them back to smoking cigs again, she would get a very different answer to the one she, wrongly, assumes, vaping keeps us off the cigs!

[joehel]

I think she was trying to infer that if you use an e-cig in a confined space and an ex-smoker passively vapes the odourless vapour, the minute amount of nicotine they inhale (and the sight of someone carrying out the ACTION similar to smoking, I presume) will subconsciously make that ex smoker want to smoke again. Utterly ridiculous!! I'd be ashamed to say that out loud to be honest! Surely, the most logical "worst case scenario" would be that an ex smoker might want to try vaping? So, perfectly harmless really!

[joehel]

By the way, this is probably covered many times over in other threads, but are the "big boys" in the e-cig industry going to start putting some serious money into getting some proper tests done? Or is it that people haven't been doing it for long enough yet to get any proper analysis? I'm sick of the same old lines being dragged out of vaping "not being properly tested". When are tests going to finally be done and research produced to shut these stupid people up (or, of course, educate us vapers if it really IS harmful and we don't know it!!!)

[barrynorton]

Sodding amazing - when it suits their interests (i.e. the deep pockets of their lobbyists) they take the position of evidence-based medicine. When it doesn't they engage in wild speculation.

[jakethevape]

Nanny nation to the MAX its skin crawling..... Dont worry soon you will be billed c.£450 if a private company decided's your "too drunk" and if you fail to pay it us tax payers will pick it up. I bet your bottom dollar one of the twits in government will be on the board of this "private company", just like the payday loans lol.

Good luck banning eCigs and good luck proving a point in court why person X should be imprisoned for using ecigs. Unless this country is indeed ran by complete morons, tho sometimes I do wounder....

[barrynorton]

Sept 19, 2013 8:37:01 GMT joehel said:

is it that people haven't been doing it for long enough yet to get any proper analysis?

One thing I've always wondered about that line of argument - e-cigs have almost a decade of use in China and, as Ruyan, have been exported to the West since "2005-2006". Are there no studies at all in China? I know people have scoured PubMed, but I still find it hard to believe.

[markm]

Sept 19, 2013 8:37:01 GMT joehel said:

By the way, this is probably covered many times over in other threads, but are the "big boys" in the e-cig industry going to start putting some serious money into getting some proper tests done? Or is it that people haven't been doing it for long enough yet to get any proper analysis? I'm sick of the same old lines being dragged out of vaping "not being properly tested". When are tests going to finally be done and research produced to shut these stupid people up (or, of course, educate us vapers if it really IS harmful and we don't know it!!!)

There have been lots of tests done already, some have been spun to look negative,
so CASAA the consumer protection group in US had a study done of all the aavailable studies and reports,
both the published with full pier review and the ones that weren't pier reviewed.
the result of that can be found on their website.
the simple answer is that we do now know and there is nothing of any concern to the mmedical profession, no negative health implications.
There are no anti vaping health arguments that stand up to scientific scrutiny, all tthey have now is innuendo and quoting since disproved conjecture and spin.

[jakethevape]

So clearly they have no grounds to enforce a ban.

What are they going to say?, Your a dope head? well I dont think so, its not psychoactive in any way, it has NO harmful effects to any 3rd partys unlike the cigarettes that you are happy to continue being sold.

I am pretty darm sure a good enough argument could fight it as a human right to decide to use this or not. Unless they decide to ban smoking outright which we all know is NOT going to happen as its a cash cow for the government and their cronies.

Basically this whole debate is due to one thing TAX. They are not getting a slice of the pie (or rather their 90% share of the pie) and they are miffed off over it. What other reason could it be?, unless its being led by one of those hardcore self-righteous people who are so narrow minded they have not seen the light of day for years.

[jeffc]

jakethevape said What other reason could it be?, unless its being led by one of those hardcore self-righteous people who are so narrow minded they have not seen the light of day for years.

You have just descibed those "WITCHES" Linda McAvan and Anna Soubry.

But time and information en-enlightenment is slowly getting through to the politicians and medical personnel.

Apart from the `Labour Party` dummies.

[joehel]

What I still find totally incredulous is that the Government DARE question the safety of e-cigs while at the same time allow the sale of tobacco products (which are KNOWN to cause cancer and kill 50% of the people who use them) in every corner shop in the country. How can tobacco be okay to sell, but e-cigs not?!!

[markm]

The anti smoking brigade are so stuck in the "ban it" mindset that they
Have lost the wood for the trees.
There is the feeling that vaping is cheating and playing into the hands of big tobacco companies.
Having been locked in battle with big tobacco for so long they refuse to listen to Aything
Anyone has to say, because big tobacco is obviously behind it.
On the plus side the TPD is mostly about trying to controll tobacco sales, vaping is just a sideshow,
So if we become difficult enough we may well get dropped out of it altogether. They have already
Made it clear that they want the TPD pushed through with undue haste, even at the expense of
Flouting our own parliamentary procedure.

[jakethevape]

Sept 19, 2013 11:46:18 GMT jeffc said:

jakethevape said What other reason could it be?, unless its being led by one of those hardcore self-righteous people who are so narrow minded they have not seen the light of day for years.

You have just descibed those "WITCHES" Linda McAvan and Anna Soubry.

But time and information en-enlightenment is slowly getting through to the politicians and medical personnel.

Apart from the `Labour Party` dummies.

true true! but we all know Labour are about as incompetent as a brain surgeon sloth. I shudder at the thought of the general sheeple (I mean public) voting them in again, likewise with the lib/con arragment. Mehh this is not a place for my political ramblings hehe, need a section for that and possibly a fulltime mod lol