Vaping allowed

[siffy]

Sept 30, 2013 9:23:18 GMT dinamic22 said:

I'll probably get done for saying this, so send me to bed with no supper..lol

A part of me can partly understand why vaping in confined places might be met with objection from non smokers/vapers. When I see the amount of vapor that comes from the mouths of the you tube videos it makes me want to cough just looking at it. I just think if there is half a dozen folk blowing out plumes of vapor it might make people cough, or feel like they about to cough. Mind you I am the only person in my circle who vapes and none of my friends smoke so I do appreciate my train of thought is tarred to fitting in completely with non vapers/smokers. I do appreciate I'm not helpful to the cause with my view but I do partly understand why non smokers/vapers would prefer we didn't in a confined space.

The thing is though siffy when an artiste in our club has a smoke machine theres clouds of 'smoke' in the club & no one bothers about that & smoke machines use VG to produce this, so why create about vapers using ecigs?
It would take about 50 vapers to create the same amount of vapour!

I had to laugh when one of the committee (a smoker) said to me "as long as we don't get people using that cheap chinese rubbish" i told him my ecigs & everyone elses came from china as this is where they are made, where they were initially manufactured, he didn't know what to say haha.

mittenkitten i live in a village called Hemsworth its right in the middle of Barnsley, Pontefract & Wakefield.
I'm hoping they allow it permanently too.

I do hear you about the smoke machine but I imagine that's on for a few minutes here and there during the act? I am not saying that folk shouldn't vape indoors just that only if they have everyone's permission. I started vaping for first save money then I noticed that the obvious health benefits. I never started vaping thinking it would mean I could vape in places I couldn't smoke, if I can and everyones ok with it then that's a bonus to me. I still follow the rule if you can't smoke there I don't vape there as am now used to only being allowed to smoke/vape in non public areas. You might find the committee let's is continue and all the regulars are happy with it, who knows. I think maybe I am now to old school and used to not smoking (now vaping) in public places and it would seem very strange for me to do so, I would be worried if it was getting on anyones nerves.

[siffy]

Sept 30, 2013 10:02:44 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Sept 29, 2013 22:07:58 GMT siffy said:

I'll probably get done for saying this, so send me to bed with no supper..lol

A part of me can partly understand why vaping in confined places might be met with objection from non smokers/vapers. When I see the amount of vapor that comes from the mouths of the you tube videos it makes me want to cough just looking at it. I just think if there is half a dozen folk blowing out plumes of vapor it might make people cough, or feel like they about to cough. Mind you I am the only person in my circle who vapes and none of my friends smoke so I do appreciate my train of thought is tarred to fitting in completely with non vapers/smokers. I do appreciate I'm not helpful to the cause with my view but I do partly understand why non smokers/vapers would prefer we didn't in a confined space.

Funnily enough Siffy, we had this very problem at the last LSE meet up. We had our biggest turn out which was around 38 people if I remember correctly. After a while it did become an issue as we were all at the back part of the pub. Unfortunately, we were asked to go outside as they had dinner bookings in that area. Not sure what the answer is. Maybe go back to the good old days of smoking sections in bars and pubs, but rename them vaping sections! Can't see it happening though.

No I can't see it happening too.

[charon]

Sept 30, 2013 12:09:57 GMT mittenkitten said:

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As for loads of vapers, vaping together as opposed smokers, smoking together, I know which crowd I'd rather be in. The simple truth is after 464 days of vaping, I feel so much better, I don't stink to high heaven and more importantly I'm not hurting my loved ones with my passive smoking. I'm not saying that 80% of the population (those who don't smoke) shouldn't have a say, and indeed they are the majority, but let's get real, even if we walk past a smoker in the street, the smell is disgusting, whether a vaper is vaping inside or out, we aren't killing people, smoking is taking peoples' lives each and every single day. A world where cigarettes were gone and electronic cigarettes were allowed would suit me down to the ground, the knock on effect would be tremendous. We were all spending our hard earned cash to kill ourselves, and now we spend it to live longer, happier, healthier and wealthier without the guilt of knowing by smoking, you weren't just hurting yourself.

Just a thought, slightly off theme, but could the true anti feeling from the powers that be have any bearing on this>

(1)  Tobacco taxation revenue has and will continue to fall as vaping expands.
(2)  The public image of Vaping needs to be improved..( Cloud Chasers do no one  any favours.)
(3)  As stated by mittenkitten, the populace may very well enjoy a longer life span...(imagine the treasuary enjoying an expanding pension bill)

Right, end of Rant. I hope for the day that P.V.s (as we know them) are legitimised and the Jobsworths can take a flying jump. (its before the watershed, so I kept it clean)

[mittenkitten]

I have absolutely nothing against smokers, because I'm an ex-smoker and my husband who has never smoked has nothing against smokers, but from his perspective as neither a smoker nor a vaper, he and I truly believe that the world would be a far better place without the tobacco cigarette. Your car cannot pass it's MoT until the exhaust fumes which come from it are at a "safe level", there will never be a safe level, however we need to get around. But no one needs to smoke 4000 chemicals to get a nicotine hit. Without them, yes people would live longer, because they would be healthier, but it's false economy to think that without the revenue that comes from cigarettes Countries will collapse...they're doing that already. People would not just be healthier, they'd have a better standard of life, more money to spend, the hospitals and research departments would have far more cash in order to help people who have smoke related illnesses, other illness, it's an industry which kills people, but it's not regulated, apart from not being able to sell to people over the age of 18.

In the electronic cigarette industry responsible vendors only sell to people who currently smoke and are over the age of 18. The target audience and market of tobacco cigarettes are children aged between 11-15. Even their attempt at "if you can't beat them join them", shows that they are marketing their disposable e-cigs to children, they want them hooked, for them it's a win/win.

Prohibition didn't work, neither will the proposed regulation (over regulation in 2016). The medical devices licence will be given to the Tobacco giants, BAT & Imperial, they take the market once again and thousands upon thousands of other businesses go out of business. We need to hold our EGO's high and proud, keep small/medium sized e-cigarette businesses in business and stop big tobacco from dominating and monopolising this industry of ours, I bought a Vype, it cost me £6.99, it tasted OK, but it didn't last me a day and it was £6.99 hhhhhmmmm!!!

Why should people be forced to smoke, forced to be killed and live an unhealthy life to keep revenue coming in when there is a much healthier alternative out there which DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE?

MY RANT OVER

[mittenkitten]

Sept 30, 2013 15:32:17 GMT mittenkitten said:

I have absolutely nothing against smokers, because I'm an ex-smoker and my husband who has never smoked has nothing against smokers, but from his perspective as neither a smoker nor a vaper, he and I truly believe that the world would be a far better place without the tobacco cigarette. Your car cannot pass it's MoT until the exhaust fumes which come from it are at a "safe level", there will never be a safe level, however we need to get around. But no one needs to smoke 4000 chemicals to get a nicotine hit. Without them, yes people would live longer, because they would be healthier, but it's false economy to think that without the revenue that comes from cigarettes Countries will collapse...they're doing that already. People would not just be healthier, they'd have a better standard of life, more money to spend, the hospitals and research departments would have far more cash in order to help people who have smoke related illnesses, other illness, it's an industry which kills people, but it's not regulated, apart from not being able to sell to people over the age of 18.

In the electronic cigarette industry responsible vendors only sell to people who currently smoke and are over the age of 18. The target audience and market of tobacco cigarettes are children aged between 11-15. Even their attempt at "if you can't beat them join them", shows that they are marketing their disposable e-cigs to children, they want them hooked, for them it's a win/win.

Prohibition didn't work, neither will the proposed regulation (over regulation in 2016). The medical devices licence will be given to the Tobacco giants, BAT & Imperial, they take the market once again and thousands upon thousands of other businesses go out of business. We need to hold our EGO's high and proud, keep small/medium sized e-cigarette businesses in business and stop big tobacco from dominating and monopolising this industry of ours, I bought a Vype, it cost me £6.99, it tasted OK, but it didn't last me a day and it was £6.99 hhhhhmmmm!!!

Why should people be forced to smoke, forced to be killed and live an unhealthy life to keep revenue coming in when there is a much healthier alternative out there which DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE?

MY RANT OVER

[mittenkitten]

I bought a Vype, it cost me £6.99, it tasted OK, but it didn't last me a day and it was £6.99 hhhhhmmmm!!!

Did I mention it was £6.99??? hee hee xx

[siffy]

mittenkitten I agree with your points in full, there is a better was to consume nicotine.

This is something I have thought for a while though, that if we want to encourage smokers to start vaping are we helping the cause?

I imagine smokers even thinking to switch may google, read forums, and see words like stinkie used. I may be wrong but imagine it just might get their backs up?

I read this last month and has took me ages to find it but have. It's a piece written by a smoker and their thoughts on vapers. I am not posting it to get anyones backs up but just to say if we do want to reach out to smokers there is likely a lot of work to do

taking-liberties.squarespace.com/blog/2013/7/16/the-self-righteousness-of-vapers-and-their-miracle-product.html

[Karma]

The word 'stinkie' has been discussed before siffy and you're right, smokers, would be vapers and folks that duel fuel can take offence to it. I don't see it used too often on here and I think we do a good job of encouraging people along the lines of 'don't count how many you smoke, count the ones you've not smoked'.

Smokers can be quite disparaging of vapers too though. 'why are you sucking your pen?' 'are you playing a flute?' 'you look like a hobbit with a pipe' 'why don't you just give up properly?'

I get more 'stick' from smokers than non smokers ???

[siffy]

Sept 30, 2013 16:41:15 GMT Karma said:

The word 'stinkie' has been discussed before siffy and you're right, smokers, would be vapers and folks that duel fuel can take offence to it. I don't see it used too often on here and I think we do a good job of encouraging people along the lines of 'don't count how many you smoke, count the ones you've not smoked'.

Smokers can be quite disparaging of vapers too though. 'why are you sucking your pen?' 'are you playing a flute?' 'you look like a hobbit with a pipe' 'why don't you just give up properly?'

I get more 'stick' from smokers than non smokers ???

It seems such a shame doesn't it Karma?

I had two smokers skit me so I know what you mean.

[Karma]

I had two smokers skit me so I know what you mean.

that's a new one on me siffy I presume you mean 'gave you a hard time' 'took the mick' ?

I just find it strange, especially if they've never tried it ???

I think it may be fear of change ???

I never, ever thought I'd buy an e-reader. I love books, I love my Kindle more now gone digital in nearly everything

[annie50]

Sept 30, 2013 16:41:15 GMT Karma said:

The word 'stinkie' has been discussed before siffy and you're right, smokers, would be vapers and folks that duel fuel can take offence to it. I don't see it used too often on here and I think we do a good job of encouraging people along the lines of 'don't count how many you smoke, count the ones you've not smoked'.

Smokers can be quite disparaging of vapers too though. 'why are you sucking your pen?' 'are you playing a flute?' 'you look like a hobbit with a pipe' 'why don't you just give up properly?'

I get more 'stick' from smokers than non smokers ???

Me too Karma

Had one smoker just laugh when he saw me with my evod and spinner at the weekend and another was just plain rude when she said * well you just have to wean yourself off those now, don't you? * 

I just let it go over my head, one day I will meet a vaper and we can smile together LOL

[siffy]

Sept 30, 2013 16:57:55 GMT Karma said:

I had two smokers skit me so I know what you mean.

that's a new one on me siffy I presume you mean 'gave you a hard time' 'took the mick' ?

I just find it strange, especially if they've never tried it ???

I think it may be fear of change ???

I never, ever thought I'd buy an e-reader. I love books, I love my Kindle more now gone digital in nearly everything

I really think it's that, the fear. If I put myself in their shoes I imagine I might have thought things, but not said it. I bet I would have had the fear of thinking but I can't give up the cigs, defences would have gone up to protect myself and I would have had to find something in my mind to use to skit the e cig so I could justify carrying on smoking.

Sorry yes we say skit meaning taking the mickey of someone or something. I so feel like. I'm actually talking to you all in person and I write as I'm speaking. I forget we don't all know each others terms of phrase..lol

[dinamic22]

I too have had smokers saying to me "yeah but you're still smoking aren't you" i just reply sweetly "no i'm vaping, if i was using patches or Nicorette gum would i have stopped smoking?"
They just don't know what to say & i know i've won the argument. Tease-smiley

[bubbleglass]

I've found the past few weeks,many people have reacted negatively towards vaping ,similar to other peoples comments about still being a smoker,or people telling me I need to stop vaping.Also have found that people seem to find it amusing due to ignorance really.

I'm quite lucky that my local pub allows vaping. I still find it strange after getting used to going outside to get my nicotine fix

Still haven't met many vapers in my town but one day it would be nice to have more people I know vaping even just to try out new kit and flavours

[worthingbloy]

Need to add my 1p to this. Originally in my local I was allowed to vape. (around 18 months ago) I got quite a few reactions, all good I must say and encouraged as I'd given up the weed (from smokers and non smokes alike) Then recently I was told to go outside with the other smokers as I was causing offence to other people. I had a chat with the publican (yes they still exist) he told me that some people didn't like the idea of vape around them and it was poisonous with the 2nd hand vape! I think there has been so much scare mongering even the most liberal level headed people are jumping up and down in horror. It's quite sad really as the publican was all for it. I just go outside now, it's easier. But the smell......I can't believe how bad it is.....

Funny thing is I was at Lords Cricket ground for the test this year and had a crafty vape in the stands with a pint (as you do) and was told that their no smoking policy also includes Vaping. I just agreed and stopped. Couldn't see the point arguing. I have since enquired and they have no written policy but will make vaping or other devices that look like smoking etc part of an all inclusive ban if more and more people use such devices. Sad again. By improving my overall health and not smoking I'm getting labelled as a smoker. In my personal opinion if its not illegal so be it. If against the law I won't do it. But I do respect where I am and am sensitive towards others.