Where Has The Innovation Gone?

[DiscoDes]

Please choose the answer that is the nearest to how you feel.

This has come about as I think that the "next new invention" in vaping seems to have disappeared.

It seems to me that in the past every month (sometimes weekly) something new and innovative came along.

Now nothing TRULY INNOVATIVE seems to be coming out, I mean "Game Changers" it's all just variations on existing stuff, another VV VW mod, another Mechanical Mod, another clear tank, another RBA etc... etc... but these are just variations on what has gone before it seems to me.

Where has the innovation gone?

[Steve (VapeStorm)]

I think its a case of wait and see where this tpd is going, the manufacturers even In china will be aware of it

[Dan]

I suppose it depends how far you look into it..

For instance. The new kayfun is coming, as is the v2 rose. Heron was released very recently.

All top end rbas but each performs differently.

I expect a dna device in the next 6 months with a similar design to the vtr but in stainless as opposed to brass.

I also expect more mods to use ac voltage too..

[DiscoDes]

Mar 5, 2014 21:54:58 GMT Dan said:

I suppose it depends how far you look into it..

For instance. The new kayfun is coming, as is the v2 rose. Heron was released very recently.

All top end rbas but each performs differently.

I expect a dna device in the next 6 months with a similar design to the vtr but in stainless as opposed to brass.

I also expect more mods to use ac voltage too..

Dan

But don't you think these are just VARIATONS on what has gone before, are they INNOVATIONS?

IMO they're not.

Discuss!

[OneDay]

I tend to agree Des. As I approach my two year vaperversary I have been thinking about the things that were game changers (for me at least). These were the Penelope - the first mass-appeal rebuildable. The Zmax - the first widely-available vw device. The Spinner - vv in an ego. The igoL - the first decent RDA (if you couldn't get a Clockworks). The Vivi Nova - the first decent clearo with replaceable heads.

I'm not particularly creative so I'm not sure what the next truly innovative product will be, but I also think there's been a huge leap forward in making great vaping gear available to the masses, not just the rich and highly techie vapers who were catered for in the early days.

[Dan]

Mar 5, 2014 21:57:20 GMT DiscoDes said:

Mar 5, 2014 21:54:58 GMT Dan said:

I suppose it depends how far you look into it..

For instance. The new kayfun is coming, as is the v2 rose. Heron was released very recently.

All top end rbas but each performs differently.

I expect a dna device in the next 6 months with a similar design to the vtr but in stainless as opposed to brass.

I also expect more mods to use ac voltage too..

Dan

But don't you think these are just VARIATONS on what has gone before, are they INNOVATIONS?

IMO they're not.

Discuss!

Again, depends on your outlook..

Heron is a variation of the spheroid.

V2 rose is an improvement over v1.

Kayfun 4.. noone knows anything yet so could indeed be innovative. .

battery holders..

vtr was innovative. Keeping the tank protected is a big improvement! Just wish they had allowed space for proper rbas with an adjustable collar..

Otherwise they are all just a battery tube, a few wires, a switch, and a screen.. not really any innovation to be had?

different chipsets is the only improvement?

The way I see it. Innovation is a great thing, but everything has a limitation of how an idea can be made real.

what innovations would you like to see?

[DiscoDes]

Mar 5, 2014 22:05:00 GMT Dan said:

what innovations would you like to see?

That's the BIG question and I wish I had an answer for you.. the person/company that can answer that will be on to a winner!

[Greigster]

How about Vapin Donuts, a ceramic disc instead of wire? ukvapers.org/Thread-Vapin-Donuts

[DiscoDes]

Mar 5, 2014 22:30:38 GMT Greigster said:

How about Vapin Donuts, a ceramic disc instead of wire?

Greigster

YES! these are innovative but not for that many Vapers just the enthusiasts amongst us not really for the "Vaping Masses"

IMO some of the game changers were :


The Ego
The screwdriver
The Lavatube
CE2 Clearomisers
The MVP
Vivi Nova

Because these were products everyone could use not just enthusiasts and they moved things forward.

[Greigster]

I think the ceramic heating element could be produced in a smaller version and fitted as standard to many vaping devices once the Chinese grasp the straw.

[markm]

Yes new things come out all the time, game changers only every few months (at best)
There are some trends going currently, airflow control on basic tanks and those a cross
The pond are getting into 26650 batteries in a growing way, while I think Europe is going
Smaller. The new purple efests may be indicating innovation in batteries, which
Would be an aspect that could result in another wave of innovation in other aspects.
Things have moved so fast - and most stuff actually works
Quite well these days, much of the development will become more incremental.
There is always a kind of cyclical element where old ideas get revived in new
Ways, look at what's happened with wicks in rebuilding.
Game changers are likely to get further apart as time goes on. The same as any
Other technology.

[silentscream]

What's a game changer? Another new mod maybe quadruple coil to feed everyone's shinyitus so they can spend a ton on another mod they don't need?

The most needed game changer is for vaping to become standardised for newcomers. We need something that does what people spend bloody ages faffing about with coils and wicks and RBA's achieve but it's right there, done, sorted. Pick it up, fill it up, sorted.

The next innovation in vaping will be taking vaping out of the hands of the hobbyists and presenting it to people who just want to quit smoking without all the crap currently involved in getting 'the best vape'.

[OneDay]

Mar 5, 2014 23:57:42 GMT silentscream said:

What's a game changer? Another new mod maybe quadruple coil to feed everyone's shinyitus so they can spend a ton on another mod they don't need?

The most needed game changer is for vaping to become standardised for newcomers. We need something that does what people spend bloody ages faffing about with coils and wicks and RBA's achieve but it's right there, done, sorted. Pick it up, fill it up, sorted.

The next innovation in vaping will be taking vaping out of the hands of the hobbyists and presenting it to people who just want to quit smoking without all the crap currently involved in getting 'the best vape'.

Whilst I agree that the choices can be bewildering for newcomers, I don't believe they want 'standardisation'. There are some great kits available now that can be just picked up and vaped, now and for ever if so desired.

Your swipe at 'hobbyists' is mis-directed. It is those very people who have tinkered and improved and innovated e-cigs. There would be no replaceable heads or vv batteries without a hobbyist interest driving the demand. Imeo in Greece was a hobbyist who spearheaded rebuildables, and Clockworks drippers made in a garden shed set a benchmark. None of this is 'crap' as you put it, it is people trying to improve things for everyone.

[Steve (VapeStorm)]

I think I got the wrong end of the stick when I posted in this thread. All this vaping technology has developed so much so quickly that there bound to be struggling to come up with ideas.
My copyrighted idea dual top and bottom clearo lol

[giles]

Seems to me that clearos have been getting a lot better - dual coil, bottom coil, leak-free - and have a vape approaching the quality of rbas. Probably not of a kayfun with cotton & microcoil, but we didn't have that few months back either.

If you are listing game changers for the 'vaping masses' then I nominate putting an ego, charger & CE4 in a blister pack and selling it for less than a tenner.