Where Has The Innovation Gone?

[enjay]

I think there's only so much you can do with a coil and some liquid lol. Power through a heating element and wick for the juice, how innovative can you get?

Unless we're talking star trek here? Set your atty to stun!

[giles]

One day someone will invent a better battery, put 1000 mah in a cigalike with enough room left for 3ml of juice and a bdc head.

And we'll still talk about how pretty a mech mod is with a penny on it, and how to wire 12 pico coils in parallel.

[Perpetua]

Do we actually need more innovation Des . . . other than an everlasting coil, so vapers ( myself included ) wouldn't be tempted to eke the last lifeblood of something that's really past it's best.

Why do we do that?

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Other then small improvements in tanks, battery usage efficiency, super wicks, super powerful small batteries which drastically reduce the size of the device , a clearomizer and battery in one small unit etc

Theres not much to improve.

[Clivia]

it depends also on the definition of innovation and variation - even the most modern hybrid car for example is 'only' a variation of the first invented car more than 100 years ago .

So the moment somebody invents something - that's the first 'new =innovative' product - the rest are variations - and I am positive that there will be loads and loads of variations coming out

[silentscream]

Mar 6, 2014 0:43:27 GMT OneDay said:

Mar 5, 2014 23:57:42 GMT silentscream said:

What's a game changer? Another new mod maybe quadruple coil to feed everyone's shinyitus so they can spend a ton on another mod they don't need?

The most needed game changer is for vaping to become standardised for newcomers. We need something that does what people spend bloody ages faffing about with coils and wicks and RBA's achieve but it's right there, done, sorted. Pick it up, fill it up, sorted.

The next innovation in vaping will be taking vaping out of the hands of the hobbyists and presenting it to people who just want to quit smoking without all the crap currently involved in getting 'the best vape'.

Whilst I agree that the choices can be bewildering for newcomers, I don't believe they want 'standardisation'. There are some great kits available now that can be just picked up and vaped, now and for ever if so desired.

Your swipe at 'hobbyists' is mis-directed. It is those very people who have tinkered and improved and innovated e-cigs. There would be no replaceable heads or vv batteries without a hobbyist interest driving the demand. Imeo in Greece was a hobbyist who spearheaded rebuildables, and Clockworks drippers made in a garden shed set a benchmark. None of this is 'crap' as you put it, it is people trying to improve things for everyone.

I say there's a market for very high quality entry level kit and you take it as a swipe at hobbyists. A tad sensitive are we? I'm saying the best vape shouldn't be the sole domain of people who are prepared to spend ages faffing about recoiling and rewicking and rebuilding (some people hate that stuff). If a company releases an entry level product that gives the same quality vape as a good RBA without the messing about that will be a game changer, and that answers the OP's question.

[andy01424]

Think most comes down to how long you been vaping after a while your happy with the set up you have and no need for new things,clones have made it more accessible to the real things at a lower price,plus many will look on first starting and few months ahead ,reading what others have and thing YEAH got to try it,we all did,but as said longer you go on you just dont notice,you come to realise ,mech mod what ever shape size if its pretty ,you will buy it but basic its just a tube and a connection button,same goes for VV/VW,they all do the same thing,same applies to atties,single coil,dual coil micro coil,silica wick mesh wisk SS rope,so no matter what is brought out unless your a hoarder and have a must have new toy instinct you leave them alone,basic what you have is good enough,so you ignore it

[Perpetua]

Mar 6, 2014 9:30:51 GMT silentscream said:

I say there's a market for very high quality entry level kit and you take it as a swipe at hobbyists. A tad sensitive are we? I'm saying the best vape shouldn't be the sole domain of people who are prepared to spend ages faffing about recoiling and rewicking and rebuilding (some people hate that stuff). If a company releases an entry level product that gives the same quality vape as a good RBA without the messing about that will be a game changer, and that answers the OP's question.

I don't find that's the case as it is now myself silentscream, there are some jolly good clearo systems to be had now.

All giving an excellent quality vape.


I'd venture that it's the eliquid used that can on occasions let them down . . . .

[boyofford]

Mar 5, 2014 22:52:37 GMT Greigster said:

I think the ceramic heating element could be produced in a smaller version and fitted as standard to many vaping devices once the Chinese grasp the straw.

I think your right, it will be modified version of the donuts.

I'm yet to try them but if vaping doesn't get killed off in the mean time, devices specifically designed to use similar could be the next gen of rba/rda.

Guessing the maker of the donuts will have patients in place but will mean little to the Chinese.

Most stuff on the market now is just variations on stuff before, some better but still variations.

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[stonethecrows]

A clearo' or carto' <2ml that delivers the correct dosage, and never leaks - Now that would be a game changer .

[Super-Shiny]

I voted "I don't care" as i don't......if something comes along with new innovation then i may buy it, there is nothing forcing me too

[djs]

I said No. You're right about most of the good stuff having already been invented, but there must be some better products down the line with "ready to use and inexpensive" atomisers.

BCCs are not exactly doing it for me. ???

[Pezz]

After a year I'm still excited with the new gear coming out.

How much of it is truly game changing?

Depends on how much you buy. If you are someone who has kept buying new releases then perhaps then I can see how the market has slowed down. If you've kept with the same set up or only added one or two pieces then there is still a lot of different stuff out there to try.

The market as a whole has grown so rapidly that it is impossible for the innovations to keep coming at the same fast rate but they will continue to happen.

I'd say the DNA20 was the game changer last year.

The new vaping donuts could be a big thing this year.

Ultrasonic vapes are being developed - Who knows what else you can use to make vapour....

[silentscream]

Mar 6, 2014 10:45:54 GMT Perpetua said:

Mar 6, 2014 9:30:51 GMT silentscream said:

I say there's a market for very high quality entry level kit and you take it as a swipe at hobbyists. A tad sensitive are we? I'm saying the best vape shouldn't be the sole domain of people who are prepared to spend ages faffing about recoiling and rewicking and rebuilding (some people hate that stuff). If a company releases an entry level product that gives the same quality vape as a good RBA without the messing about that will be a game changer, and that answers the OP's question.

I don't find that's the case as it is now myself silentscream, there are some jolly good clearo systems to be had now.

All giving an excellent quality vape.


I'd venture that it's the eliquid used that can on occasions let them down . . . .

To be honest I'm quite happy with my Mini Protank 2's and the dual coil Aspire I got recently though the heads for the latter are a bit expensive to replace. I'm forever reading about how these clearos simply don't compare to a good RBA setup and how you haven't experienced a really good vape unless you go RBA. I'm really crap at fiddly stuff like that so it's out for me so I suppose there's an element of bitterness in my attitude because of that