Petition for US people fights for e-cigs

[Toby]

Sorry I haven't visited for a while; hello everybody!

This was brought to my attention on UKVapers yesterday.

The email below, is a forward from our friends at VaporsPlace.com.
Please read and sign the petition.

NO flavors except tobacco and menthol.

NO online sales.

NO choice of nicotine strength.

NO vaping indoors.

NO vaping outdoors on dozens of hospital, government, and college grounds across the country.

NO hiring people who use nicotine in any form, including e-cigarettes, the gum, and the patch.

All of this and more is in the works and some of it has already come to pass.

The FDA, the American Lung Association, the American Heart Association, and the American Cancer Society are just a few of the rich and powerful organizations that--having failed to ban e-cigarettes altogether (so far)--intend to make vaping as expensive, unpleasant, and inconvenient as possible.

They continue to spread misinformation and sponsor legislation against electronic cigarettes, and they show no signs of giving up.

We've won some critical battles against these powerful organizations, armed with nothing but our passion and the truth. They greatly underestimated our resolve.

This site was specifically designed to give citizens a means to petition our government, and I can't imagine why we wouldn't want to take advantage of this opportunity.

If we can't get to 5,000 signatures by October 27th, we'll have to start all over again, and it will be five times more difficult since the threshold for official response is now 25,000 for petitions filed after October 3rd. This is our best opportunity to make a statement, to stand up and demand that our government address this issue.

Will this actually accomplish anything? Hell if I know. But I do know that it's better than sitting around bitching about the current state of affairs.

Please, take a moment to sign the petition.
This is your chance to stand up and have your voice heard by our government.

Click link to petition here -

wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/recognize-electronic-cigarettes-effective-alternative-smoking-and-support-job-creation-new-industry/57vtB0QK

[Scylla]

Oct 13, 2011 9:33:24 GMT Toby said:

Sorry I haven't visited for a while..

I should bloomin' well think so! >

Lovely to see you, Toby, and please pop in more often. We have a Suppliers sub where you could cast spells on us with your lovely merchandise:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=promoting&action=post&thread=3727"e=82901&page=1


scylla (rather tired, so excuse hasty response)

[Toby]

Hi Scylla - long time no hear!

Yes, I should show some stuff in vendor's section..
(presently what I have new is Smokies in 2.1-2.4 low range - whoop!)

I have other stuff in pipeline as well like Big Daddy Tanks (whoop again!) and also other stuff that is secret...

[Perpetua]

LTNS Toby.

You really should visit us more often you know . . . not least because your Silver Bullet is so lovely to use!

We are very good at keeping secrets as well.

Thank you for the link, I'm sure our lovely American friend Jerry, will be able to add further thoughts from across the pond as well.

[jerryrm]

It's true that the pharmaceutical companies and their minions, the "alphabet" groups, have been busy trying to get e-cigs banned, but on the state and local level. Since e-cigs came about, the "antis" (anti freedom, pro control) have switched their tactics and now oppose nicotine use, when before they opposed tobacco use. They disgust me, as I see them as a threat to individual rights and freedom.

We won a court case against the FDA, when they tried to classify e-cigs as a drug/device, which would have effectively banned them, but the Federal courts ruled that they are a tobacco product and must be regulated as such.

The first three items on the list have not come to pass yet and may not happen. That is the worst case scenario, the FDA has not made any regulations yet and may not for a couple of years.

We have signed petitions before and I personally have helped drum up support for at least one of them. Petitions have fallen on deaf ears, as the antis continue to spit out their propaganda, while ignoring the facts. Personally, I have given up on petitions, as has been proven in the past, they have done little or no good.

Money speaks in this country, not logic. There is a lot of money at stake, if we are allowed to legally continue to vape. The pharmaceutical companies stand to lose billions of dollars, if smokers choose e-cigs, instead of their products. The "alphabet" groups stand to lose millions in BP donations. The Federal and State governments stand to lose billions in tax revenue, if people stop buying cigarettes.

If I sound cynical, it's because I have been following the legal battle for two years, it's what drew me to the ECF in the first place. I have seen how those in power have ignored us and cling to the antis, believing every lie that they spew out. Only the Federal courts have sided with us, but that may have been a hollow victory.

As for the petition, or any petition for that matter, I would not discourage anyone from signing, but I am wary, as we have to register with the White House, before we sign it. The less people in government who know that I exist and that I vape, the better.

[Perpetua]

It's all a bit Big Brother isn't it Jerry, if you have to register at the White House before signing . . . I'm quite shocked at that, whatever happened to the Land of the Free.

Although, I don't think that the powers that be here are any better/different . . . money always wins the day, it would appear.

Although my concern would be, how likely will the UK be to adopt a similar policy to the US, if this situation were to happen.

[jerryrm]

I thought of that, Perpy, it's very possible that the UK may take the same route as the U.S. However, from what I have read on the forum, there are some fair and honest people in power over on your side of the pond, I'm not so sure about on my side of the pond.

[Perpetua]

Don't know about that Jerry, I've a very cynical view of Politicians/Government bodies . . . they all seem to make a lot of noise, backed up by very little action if it doesn't affect them.

[jerryrm]

Perpy, do you think that maybe we both have the same government, but it's being kept secret from the people ?

The Queen does seem to visit the U.S. quite a bit. Hmmmmmm........lol

[Perpetua]

It's a certain breed in Government, that's for sure Jerry . . . whichever side of the Atlantic you're on.