Red Astaire concentrate withdrawn?

[toots]

Apr 6, 2014 17:25:22 GMT dickyg said:

Apr 6, 2014 17:18:52 GMT toots said:

I've only tried some of their pre-made High Voltage and I must say I loved the cherry flavour, but just could not get on with the minty side of it, hence I never bought any more of that or the concentrate. Now if they were to do that cherry on its own I would have got it in concentrate form.

Tried other brands of cherry but never liked them, nothing like the cherry in high voltage

What did you try it in? I've heard mention it may be a tank cracker, but my glass clearos are already taken with other juices. Have an iclear 30 sitting round but don't want to risk it.

It was ages ago when I tried it, can't remember if it was just in a little C4 clearo or after I'd bought the Kanger mini protank - not much help there is it - sorry

[Karma]

Apr 6, 2014 17:29:03 GMT Karma said:

If people are reselling their homebrews and copying the T-Juice label then selling it as the real deal, I can fully understand why T-Juice have taken this stance.

Who would get the blame if something went wrong?

Sorry, felt the need to quote myself!

[dickyg]

Apr 6, 2014 17:29:37 GMT Greg said:

Apr 6, 2014 17:25:22 GMT dickyg said:

What did you try it in? I've heard mention it may be a tank cracker, but my glass clearos are already taken with other juices. Have an iclear 30 sitting round but don't want to risk it.

It's in my kayfun with clear window. I'll let you know if it cracks it 

Cheers. Don't really want to sacrifice the iclear unnecessarily 

[lal]

Why don't they just restrict the amount individuals can buy?

[zeldamum]

Putting restrictions on sales of the concentrate would work to a certain extent, but the people who have been mixing to sell will soon find away around the restrictions. Multiple accounts and addresses are not that hard to sort out.

[Greg]

Is it not just Chinese whispers at this stage ?

[Di]

Apr 6, 2014 17:38:34 GMT Karma said:

Apr 6, 2014 17:29:03 GMT Karma said:

If people are reselling their homebrews and copying the T-Juice label then selling it as the real deal, I can fully understand why T-Juice have taken this stance.

Who would get the blame if something went wrong?

Sorry, felt the need to quote myself!

Well quoted and well said!!  

[Greg]

Apr 6, 2014 18:13:25 GMT Di said:

Apr 6, 2014 17:38:34 GMT Karma said:

Sorry, felt the need to quote myself!

Well quoted and well said!!  

Karma I agree totally with the sentiment but there's a big but.

if TJUICE do stop selling RA concentrate then they will lose revenue and the people ripping it off will just move onto the next most popular flavour and rip that off so it's a bit of a vicious circle.

TJ could of course stop selling all concentrates of course but that could well put the nail in there coffin as a business, I may be wrong but I suspect they do so well due to concentrate sales. I for one would never buy premade from them whether they sell concentrate or not.

[dragon]

copy cats only go after something that has made it big. I don't think it's right but it is a compliment.

If T-juice has removed it from sale (and it is only a rumour atm) then they are shooting themselves in the foot. For every person that buys a copy cat, then many more will buy the real thing.

If someone buys a fraudulent product and it turns out to be sub standard then they have only themselves to blame and they should buy from the producer next time. T-juice can easily give a list of approved suppliers on their website for anyone in doubt.

I have and will continue, if possible, to buy my concentrate from T-juice. If they remove it from sale, then it is only a matter of time before someone figures out the recipe. T-juice is basically inviting someone else to take their customers away, and quite frankly they would deserve to lose them.

[djs]

Grim.

It'll come back. They'll find an answer.

Maybe it should have it's own website.... like GVC? bought anywhere else, and it's either fake or mixed by the shop not T-Juice.

I wish them luck....

[dickyg]

Apr 6, 2014 18:20:44 GMT dragon said:

copy cats only go after something that has made it big. I don't think it's right but it is a compliment.

If T-juice has removed it from sale (and it is only a rumour atm) then they are shooting themselves in the foot. For every person that buys a copy cat, then many more will buy the real thing.

If someone buys a fraudulent product and it turns out to be sub standard then they have only themselves to blame and they should buy from the producer next time. T-juice can easily give a list of approved suppliers on their website for anyone in doubt.

I have and will continue, if possible, to buy my concentrate from T-juice. If they remove it from sale, then it is only a matter of time before someone figures out the recipe. T-juice is basically inviting someone else to take their customers away, and quite frankly they would deserve to lose them.

Well said. Simple supply and demand, another company will develop a similar receipe and fill the void. If this is true Tjuice are in a lose lose situation. Hopefully it's just hot air.

[OneDay]

Apr 6, 2014 18:12:28 GMT Greg said:

Is it not just Chinese whispers at this stage ?

I don't think so. I found some at VapeGB, placed my order, made my paypal payment, got my order confirmation. 10 minutes later VapeGB cancelled my order and refunded my money with the message "Due to recent news with TJuice - all orders of Red Astaire from 6/04/14 are cancelled and refunded"

[Super-Shiny]

Don't bother me as i hate the stuff, selfish i know but i don't care Tease-smiley

p.s My OH is not happy, she loves the stuff

[Greg]

Apr 6, 2014 18:27:09 GMT OneDay said:

Apr 6, 2014 18:12:28 GMT Greg said:

Is it not just Chinese whispers at this stage ?

I don't think so. I found some at VapeGB, placed my order, made my paypal payment, got my order confirmation. 10 minutes later VapeGB cancelled my order and refunded my money with the message "Due to recent news with TJuice - all orders of Red Astaire from 6/04/14 are cancelled and refunded"

[Deleted]

Apr 6, 2014 17:38:34 GMT Karma said:

Apr 6, 2014 17:29:03 GMT Karma said:

If people are reselling their homebrews and copying the T-Juice label then selling it as the real deal, I can fully understand why T-Juice have taken this stance.

Who would get the blame if something went wrong?

Sorry, felt the need to quote myself!

The person who sold the fake juice would get the blame.

T-Juice are only responsible for direct sales to consumers. If you buy a Punto from dodgy mick down the pub and the brakes fail, FIAT are not liable for it. Its the same principle here.

If people are copying their trademarked logo, they should sue the individual for damages and deal with it through the correct legal channels.

I'm not supporting anyone selling their homebrew, but i have to say that the reason above simply isn't valid as they could not be held responsible for a fake product in any court, anywhere.

I personally don't think they have withdrawn it, and I think that its just internet Chinese whispers, but if they really have, then it simply smacks of throwing toys out of the pram over a few idiots and seriously annoying and alienating many repeat customers.

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