difference ?

[Clivia]

my experience so far, after having been hit by shinyitis :

there is a distinct difference between a 'simple' ego or evod battery and the variable v/w ones and the nemesis - however to be honest : I don't notice much of a difference between the itastes vv - the vtr - the nemesis and the mvp.
I like all of them - for example the nemesis clone for it's size - the mvp, because it's shiny and light but I don't notice any difference regarding the vape experience with them

for me there is a huge difference though with the various atties : first I discovered, that I prefer the bottom coils with stainless steel drip tips and now we have settled for the moment with the protanks 2 and the air flow control - already that makes a huge difference : with and without airflow control 

but regarding batteries and mods - hm ?

what's your experience ?

[Perpetua]

If I absolutely had to, I could probably survive on a few Twists/Spinner batteries Clivia . . . but where's the fun in that?

Do I get a better vape from some the Mods I own in comparison? Not so much now, what we screw onto to them has improved so greatly in the last couple of years, it's almost ( but not quite ) replaced the must have need for them.

But, I do find being able to check resistances very useful without any faff . . . and it is cheaper to replace batteries, than to be buying new VV/VW Ego types. Plus ( for me ) some tank systems just look so much better on something bigger.

[decoy]

tbh i was pretty lucky and found this forum early on so my 1st proper starter kit was a pro tank 3 and vv3 (not including the 1st 2 garage buys to get me throw work)
but i have since been struck with shinyitus mostly brought on by discodes and his cheap finds (2nd protank 3 and the nemi) and a cheap vamo 5 from slow tech easier to swap batts in than walking about with a power pack plugged in to vv3 when it runs out
Then we move on to enjay and his coiling thread ud agi rebuildable is now in my collection and cant see a kafun being far behind
Whats next some more batts for nemi and vamo and prob whatever one of your wounderfull members posts up at to good a price to misss
have i noticed a diff yes and no vamo and vv3 are about the same but you cant swap batts in vv3 are they better than the standard ego batts and cig a likes hell yer

on a side note anyone elces vv3 wobbly at the top

[ionian]

I think with a regulated device, if you vape at say 10w on any of them it should be the same experience. All it is doing is providing power to the coil. Unregulated mods are different of course, but again it's all about the power you get out of the batteries; by building lower resistance coils, you get more power. You just need an atty that can wick fast enough to keep up with your coil.

For me it's all about the atomiser - with a good quality atty that wicks well you can turn your power up and get a much more satisfying vape.

[Deleted]

I prefer a regulated mod so I have never really got into unregulated mechanicals. I have been through most of the popular ones during the past year ... Mvp, Svd, eVic kicked Nemesis and lately a Provari Mini and as you say Clivia , there is no great noticable difference in performance ... at the end of the day all they do is supply a current to the topper.
My advice to anyone wanting to improve their vaping experience, assuming that they have at least some sort of VV mod, is to spend the money on a decent topper. This no longer needs to be an expensive high end rba as the latest batch of clearos with air flow control (Nautilus, Aerotank ect) provide a vape that is on a par at an affordable price and with the simplicity of cheap faff-free replaceable heads for those who don't want to be recoiling.

[chykensa]

Interesting thread Clivia! I agree with the comments above, a battery is just that, somethng to provide power. It's all about the atomiser that you put on the top that makes the difference.
I was until recently searching for the item which ticks all the boxes; easy to set up, good capacity, great flavour and vapour production, and not too expensive.
I think I've found my Holy Grail - my Caravela with either a Russian or a KF on top. The whole setup was not expensive from Fasttech, and although I've bought some new batteries since, that is just future-proofing as they can be used in almost everything I own, apart from the 18500s.
I am in the strange situation now where I don't have a mental list of items I would like to buy, apart from another Russian clone. I honestly don't think this has ever happened before!
My Vamo is now only used for resistance checking, and I use the Caravela for everything. If it breaks (which is unlikely, as it's totally mechanical), I'll simply buy another one, which amounts to about £15 online. The batteries in 3 different sizes cater for all situations from discreet to long-lasting, and the Russian or Kayfun will carry enough juice to last a day between them.
I'm a happy bunny!

[Mrsmac]

I would like to get into advanced mods but am confused at all the information about them. I currently have various twists, the itvv3 and a zmax.

In my opinion, the itvv3 blew the twists out of the water, I say this because after I used the itvv3 I went back and checked the twists and the voltage at I thought I was vaping at, I wasn't as all of the batteries I had were not accurate and way off the markings on the bottom for example, I thought I was vaping at 3.7v, I was actually vaping at 3.4ish so the batts were way off! The itvv3 changed that as the output is true to its reading.

The zmax is a step up from the itvv3, even at the same watts, it just feels like there is slightly more umph behind it! But either one of the itvv3 (I have two) or the zmax I can use all day and feel as though I have had a great vape

The tanks you put on top make a big difference, especially from when I started and that makes a HUGE difference imho

[spikus]

Some purists will say that high end devices like the provari deliver the current to the attie in a different way to say , a Vamo ... Something to do with the frequency and the circuitry regulating the power. I don't really understand it very well. But apparently the pulses of electricity a Vamo delivers to the attie are spaced much further apart than a provari or other top end VV / VW device. Meaning devices like the Vamo have a noticeable "rattlesnake" pulsing effect ....
Un - regulated mech mods do not apparently suffer from this ......

This may be ill informed b*ll*cks... Perhaps a more technically qualified member could clarify ..

[decoy]

electrickery is a funny thing you'll always get the purists at one end of the scale and the techies at the othe
dont make it like they used to it just worked against its the latest so there for greatest thing(vinyl verses cd for eg)
so until we move over to these funky donuts instead of a bent bit of wire i cant see there being that much off a real diff between vv/vw devices except how much power they can use(as long as they a decent quality)little disappointed on the diff between vamo 5 and vv3 tbh just shows how good vv3 is and how far they have come
attys do make the biggest diff i got a gennis stile atty to play with coils on and the difference in flavor is quite shocking even compared to a protank 3 and ruddy easy to recoil and now that i have shinyitus of course i want a kayfun icon_shoppingm
haven't been at it to long so i may be talking out my bumholeio

[tomj777]

I moved pretty rapidly through the Shinyitus path - this is the last 8 months (excluding the first step)

• Aborted VIP kit loaned (9 or 12 month gap)
• Riva 1100 + Carts (a couple of weeks)
• Riva 1100 + T3S (a couple of weeks, carts immediately abandoned)
• Riva 1100 + Protanks
• SVD (gift from UKV chap) and Protanks + Aga T2 (same gift as SVD) + mini Octopus + IGO W4
• SVD + KF3.1 (2nd hand from UKV) + Protanks
• SVD + KF3.1 + Expromizer
• VTR (very brief liason) + iClear 30S + Trident clone
• ChiYou clone + Taifun GT clone + KF3.1 + Expromizer + Aqua clone + Trident clone + mini Octopus + IGO W4 + KFL+ + iClear 30S
• ChiYou clone + Nemesis Copper Clone + Taifun GT clone + KF3.1 + Expromizer + Aqua clone + Trident clone + mini Octopus + IGO W4 + KFL+ + iClear 30S
• ChiYou clone + Nemesis Copper Clone + Taifun GT clone + KF3.1 + Expromizer + Aqua clone + Trident clone + mini Octopus + IGO W4 + KFL+ + iClear 30S + Squape Clone (bad base) + Micro D
• ChiYou clone + Nemesis Copper Clone + Stingray Brass + Taifun GT clone + KF3.1 + Expromizer + Aqua clone x2 + Trident clone + mini Octopus + IGO W4 + KFL+ + iClear 30S + Micro D + Squape Clone (bad base now brilliant with new base)

Everything that's dropped off the list has been given away to deserving causes.

If I look at what I use regularly (i.e. coiled and loaded) it's the three mods (I have two at any one time on my belt) and the KF's, Expromizer and an Aqua, with tridents and IGO W4 on my desk
I'm still trying to train the Taifun to be consistent and not to dump it's load every now and again...

I shifted to mechs once I realised that the regulated mods all pulsed and didn't handle slight mis-matches with dual coils and I made the complete transition very quickly when I realised that a mech in 18650 mode was a little shorter than the SVD in 18350 mode and the batteries appeared to last longer (without dropping below either acceptable or safe voltage). The added bonus is that if I want to take a long slow flavoursome vape, then I don't have to count down to release / press so I can avoid a cut-out....

However, shinyitus is expensive (even if all of the above advanced stuff was clones it would be expensive). I've a couple more dippers on route and am so tempted to get another mod (I'm not all that enamoured with the Copper Nemesis now I've (I think) cross threaded the centre pin (it's really rather stiff) and I've not been able to solve the clicky switch, although magnets are nice).

So... I've a couple more RDAs on their way from the lucky bag shop (Gaia and a Lotus clone) and that will be it until I see what the Orochi mod is like when FyneMods receives and is happy with it.

Now dampyitus has started and soon, hopefully, I can redirect my vaping allowance to vape debit clearance...

[seniorphil]

All regulated devices are not equal. They switch between their max voltage(6v on vamo) and 0v, to give you an average voltage that you have selected.
The cheaper vv mods(vamo) typically do this at 33hertz-33 voltage changes per second.This can give a intermittent vape, sometimes called rattlesnaking.
The more expensive(provari) run at 800herz-800 voltage changes per second. This gives a much smoother vape. This replicates the mechanical pure signal closer.
A multimeter will just show you the average voltage, as it can't see such fast changes. You need to use a oscilloscope to see the voltage switches.
I have yet to test the dna30 to see what speed it switches at, but it seems pretty smooth.
I'd suggest that if your happy to put up with a bit of rattlesnaking then get a mod at a fifth the price. It won't make any difference whether you pay £20 or £150 if it has a duff coil on top.

[chykensa]

I have noticed a big difference between the same voltage settings on my Spinner and Vamo. I'm sure that the Vamo packs a bigger punch, although Mrsmac's observation above about the discrepancies is interesting!
I have also read about the 'rattlesnake' effect that spikus talks about, and wonder if this has something to do with the perceived extra whoomph (that's a technical term!) that the Vamo gives.
I'm a newbie with mech mods, so am erring on the side of caution with regards to not over-discharging my batteries, and I'm pleasantly surprised how much power there is left in my batteries compared to speed of discharge in the Vamo. An 18650 will last much longer (c. 2 days) in my Caravela clone, as opposed to just over a day in the Vamo.
All part of the learning curve I suppose!

[markm]

What works best is quite subjective, for me using mech mods started because they
make life a little easier when coiling a genesis. As time has gone on I have found
that the amp limit on regulated devices switches means none of my devices are compatible.

I do still occasionally use a regulated device, but find them a little sole less and unsatisfying
fairly quickly, only because of my personal preferences.

Having said that, for ease of use and consistent results a regulated device might be just what you want.

This is why the question "whats best?" that I am asked every day, is one that we all need to find our own
answer to - or else its 42 - now whats the question.........

[djs]

I find almost no difference between any of my VV/VW devices. But, I have been told a Provari will fix that.

I also find virtually no difference between most of my atomizers (excluding RBA RDAs). But, I hear a Nature Vape will fix that.

So, there we have it, in a nutshell. I don't know what I am doing and am ashamed of myself for vaping on £19/£29 battery and a 4p microcoil I made myself.

Now.... off to the nearest bridge.... I can't take it anymore.

[arron]

Apr 14, 2014 15:36:29 GMT djs said:

I find almost no difference between any of my VV/VW devices. But, I have been told a Provari will fix that.

I also find virtually no difference between most of my atomizers (excluding RBA RDAs). But, I hear a Nature Vape will fix that.

So, there we have it, in a nutshell. I don't know what I am doing and am ashamed of myself for vaping on £19 battery and a 4p microcoil I made myself.

Now.... off to the nearest bridge.... I can't take it anymore.

You are not alone mate, I can not move past my mvp despite having various clones,vamo,lava and vmax.
i love the box shape,love the size and love the battery life....my kfl tastes no better or worse than my mt3s 

I have have a couple of aero tanks and protank mini 3 on there way, I'm a shopaholic so would love to justify a £200 spend on a high end mod but apart from a DNA 20/30 box mod (queue Super-Shiny) I can't see me trying to improve anything other than my juice