Mod suggestions...is it possible?

[Mrsmac]

So DiscoDes, if you had it in 18650 mode with the kick how much would that add to it?

Hi dan, i am new to mods (only got itvv3 and zmax) but have been vaping around 2 years now. I think rebuilding coils is not for me and like simplicity lol plug and play, i vape around 2ohms at 7 watts. When you say adjust the kick, can you not just set and forget?

Hi geordie_vaper i get what you are saying and when i was getting the itaste and the zmax considered it over and over again, i am just about able to go out with the zmax now without too much blushing lol but wil still consider the mvp further. It has such great feedback, i just dont want to end up with something else in my vape drawers that wont see the light of day

[chykensa]

Mrsmac - as a new mech mod user, I can only relay my recently-learnt information on this subject.
I have 2 x 18350s (last about 2 hours of average vaping), 2 x 18500s (last about 8 hours of average vaping), and 4 x 18650s (last over a day of average vaping).
When you fire up your mech mod with a crisp new battery in, the fresh charge gives the first dozen or so tokes a real bite. Then things settle down, still vaping really nicely, until the battery is about 2/3 discharged. You suddenly notice that the vape is not quite so productive in vapour and flavour. This is when I usually change batteries, as I understand the importance of not over-discharging batteries if they are not protected with a fuse of a Kick.
When I check the 350s and 650s in my Vamo for charge I find they have reached about 3.7v, so there would be a bit more life in then if required, but not hugely satisfactory.
The big advantage that I'm sure you are aware of is that a VV/VW mod has electronics built in which give a constant power supply according to the settings you have inputted, regardless of the charge left in the battery. This is why they die suddenly, in 2 or 3 puffs. A mech mod's power dies off more slowly and gradually.

[Mrsmac]

Apr 25, 2014 16:32:34 GMT djs said:

Apr 25, 2014 16:25:01 GMT Mrsmac said:

I see your point. The coils i use are 2.0 but anything higher than 7 watts tastes burnt on my juice, that is why i stuck with vw so i could regulate it. On your Sigelei (i bet that was the one i was looking at ) you mentally know when to change the battery?

Hmm. 2.0ohm coils are going to be very strong for you on a fresh battery (mechanical mod).... do you buy the atomizer heads? in which case, is there a 2.4 maybe?

With a mechanical (no kick) I tend to get a feeling when it's dropping, but sometimes that's as early as 3.7v.

If you want long battery time, you're going to need 18650s. However, you could use an 18500 battery and a kick in the size of an 18650.
I'm planning on this, but just can't seem to click "buy" on the batteries. They are 1,100mAh, which is barely more than 800 and seems hardly worth it.
Might as well use the Vamo in 18350. ???

Hmm i see what you mean, i have 18350s and 18650s in the zmax, i didnt see the point in the 18500 as the other two are both ends of the spectrum

[VapingBad]

Kick adds 17 mm to the length.

[Mrsmac]

Apr 25, 2014 16:39:55 GMT moodyb said:

If your budget allowed £100+ then a Vaporshark DNA30 might be worth considering as it is tiny, but is also vw / regulated.
It has an internal 1200mAh battery, but at 7watts I'd imagine that would/should last a full day, unless you chain vape.

One downside, to the dna30 chip, it is that it doesn't step down the voltage.
So to get a 7 watt vape, you'd need to use a 2.4ohm coils. Your 2.0ohm coils would give 8.8watts.

Thank you, i believe this is the sort of thing i had in mind, wow the budget definately wouldnt allow for that right now though, maybe put it on my wish list for my birthday lol i suppose another thing would be that the heads i use are stock at the minute so again another disadvantage

[djs]

What sort of 18650 batteries do you have? Are they IMR?

[Mrsmac]

Maybe i should just stick to my zmax then and reconsider the mvp as i am a never coiled, wont coil, cant coil kinda gal and at least the zmax is protected. I was also trying to future proof myself but i think the juice i use is limiting as well. The dna chip looks interesting though!

[Mrsmac]

Apr 25, 2014 16:45:44 GMT djs said:

What sort of 18650 batteries do you have? Are they IMR?

I have efest imr batts both in the 18650 and 18350

[Dan]

Apr 25, 2014 16:34:05 GMT Karma said:

Not for beginners IMO

I don't totally agree Dan using unprotected batteries and sub ohming could cause problems but with protected batteries and shop bought 2.0 heads there really isn't a problem.

Not that long ago, if you didn't want to stick with a cig-a-like your only other option was a mec mod!

Mrsmac I like geordie_vaper suggestion of an MVP

Thing is Karma, even with a prebuilt coil, there's always a chance of a dud one or two.

power it up with a mech using anything other than fully protected battery and it could vent and potentially do a lot of damage!

how many beginners would know what to do with a venting battery?... I didn't have a clue when I bought my first mech!

yes, a protected battery is the answer, but so many people go for mechs for their dinkyness nowadays.. they don't want the extra length of the pcb board and so go for unprotected cells.. even imrs aren't totally safe..

There are so many cloud chasers around that clearly have no clue what they're doing. It's scary to say the least. I've seen pictures of sub ohm builds that've been copied from youtube videos. Read 0.0 on the multimeter and yet they still fire it up!!

If a user has a clear understanding of all the necessary info (amp limits, ohms law, checking coils for shorts, etc) then good luck to them.

If not, then either put the effort into learning it all or stick to regulated batteries and their associated protection..

[Karma]

yes Dan I do agree that some vaping practices are very scarey indeed. Things were a great deal more simple a couple of years ago and the 'rule' then was always use protected batteries in a mec mod!

Once peeps start talking about imr and icr, my poor wee brain just clouds over, so I always use protected bats in mec mods and the extra 1-2 mm pcb board doesn't make a lot of difference.

[Mrsmac]

This is why i ask, so that i can learn my journey was not started yesterday and i have learnt a lot along the way especially with the help of the forum

[Dan]

Apr 25, 2014 16:40:14 GMT Mrsmac said:

Hi dan, i am new to mods (only got itvv3 and zmax) but have been vaping around 2 years now. I think rebuilding coils is not for me and like simplicity lol plug and play, i vape around 2ohms at 7 watts. When you say adjust the kick, can you not just set and forget?

In theory it should be set and forget but my experience is the opposite.

I constantly change my wattage throughout the day according to taste. This is why I've sold all the mechs and stick with buttons and a screen!

Do you enjoy the vape you get at the moment with your mods? Or does it feel lacking?

what is it about mechs that appeal to you?

[Karma]

I constantly change my wattage throughout the day according to taste

I'm a fiddler too

[Mrsmac]

Apr 25, 2014 17:03:34 GMT Dan said:

Apr 25, 2014 16:40:14 GMT Mrsmac said:

Hi dan, i am new to mods (only got itvv3 and zmax) but have been vaping around 2 years now. I think rebuilding coils is not for me and like simplicity lol plug and play, i vape around 2ohms at 7 watts. When you say adjust the kick, can you not just set and forget?

In theory it should be set and forget but my experience is the opposite.

I constantly change my wattage throughout the day according to taste. This is why I've sold all the mechs and stick with buttons and a screen!

Do you enjoy the vape you get at the moment with your mods? Or does it feel lacking?

what is it about mechs that appeal to you?

I see. I dont change wattage at all as i mainly vape fruits and after playing with volts etc settled on 7 watts, boring i know! I use dual coils as single coils didnt satisfy me enough and settled at 2ohm. I am experimenting with microcoils and a kayfun at present but dont think the future will lay in me rebuilding myself.

Its not that i dont enjoy the vape, i just wonder if i can get more and do better. As i said, i do love the zmax but in the telescopic mode i only dare use in the house. So was wondering if i could achieve the portability of the device in a shorter form factor. I think there are numerous reasons why people enquire about mech mods and we all start somewhere and have different journeys. I am not into lower than average ohms or large clouds but would like a visually pleasing device and a pretty consistant vape (as much as one can achieve) if you see what i mean

[ionian]

Mrsmac - if your juice is tasting burnt above 7watts, it's because the atomiser you are using can't wick fast enough to handle a hotter coil. I don't know what atomiser you are using, but I'd guess a better atty (doesn't have to be rebuildable) would sort that out for you very quickly. I vape at 14w -9w, and I promise that I'm not using juice that's any different to yours

I digress - here's a pic of a zmax in 18350 next to a nemesis in 18650 (no kick):



I hope it helps. Kicks aren't expensive for the wattage you are thinking of using.