do i need to clean my aerotank?

[BrenD]

May 24, 2014 22:00:26 GMT @alopezg1 said:

heroin is a different subject I agree , but cigarettes aren't 'just cigarettes' I know two heroin addicts, one recovering and one still struggling , both say nicotine is harder to put down. I think i misread your post somewhat , so sorry , but 9 weeks is nothing great , i have been longer

Your lungs would probably say otherwise!

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May 24, 2014 21:59:34 GMT jackcustard said:

I'm addicted to nicotine also, I wouldn't be on this site if I wasn't. I know where you are coming from.

Just don't beat yourself up about doing it, it's a never ending road.

Anyway I'm gonna stop derailing your thread.

Peace

I don't like that part about the never ending road!

[jackcustard]

Mate, I'm saying don't blame yourself for wanting to smoke or not vape. If vaping is pissing you off an making you feel down at the mo, don't do it. If you feel you need a cig right now have one, don't blame yourself, it is an addiction like you said.

But if you have not been enjoying vaping and still managed 9 weeks, and you still feel the way you do, maybe it isn't the cigs that are the problem.

[BrenD]

May 24, 2014 22:03:37 GMT @alopezg1 said:

May 24, 2014 21:59:34 GMT jackcustard said:

I'm addicted to nicotine also, I wouldn't be on this site if I wasn't. I know where you are coming from.

Just don't beat yourself up about doing it, it's a never ending road.

Anyway I'm gonna stop derailing your thread.

Peace

I don't like that part about the never ending road!

I do.  I like nicotine as much as I like caffeine.  Fair play to the people who gradually lower the nic levels of their juice and switch to 0 or stop vaping altogether, but that isn't for me.  I'd go higher than 18-24mg if I mixed my own liquid, but don't want to feel put off trying new brands/juices if they don't go above 18 or 24.

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May 24, 2014 22:15:33 GMT BrenD said:

May 24, 2014 22:03:37 GMT @alopezg1 said:

I don't like that part about the never ending road!

I do.  I like nicotine as much as I like caffeine.  Fair play to the people who gradually lower the nic levels of their juice and switch to 0 or stop vaping altogether, but that isn't for me.  I'd go higher than 18-24mg if I mixed my own liquid, but don't want to feel put off trying new brands/juices if they don't go above 18 or 24.

I don't like the idea of stopping cigarettes being a never ending road . Nicotine i don't see as a problem really

[BrenD]

May 24, 2014 22:18:50 GMT @alopezg1 said:

May 24, 2014 22:15:33 GMT BrenD said:

I do.  I like nicotine as much as I like caffeine.  Fair play to the people who gradually lower the nic levels of their juice and switch to 0 or stop vaping altogether, but that isn't for me.  I'd go higher than 18-24mg if I mixed my own liquid, but don't want to feel put off trying new brands/juices if they don't go above 18 or 24.

I don't like the idea of stopping cigarettes being a never ending road . Nicotine i don't see as a problem really

The right gear and the right juice is out there for you to make stinkies a thing of the past.  Finding it might be tricky, but it is out there.

Your gear sounds, er, sound, so finding the right juice might make things a bit more enjoyable.

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May 24, 2014 22:13:28 GMT jackcustard said:

Mate, I'm saying don't blame yourself for wanting to smoke or not vape. If vaping is pissing you off an making you feel down at the mo, don't do it. If you feel you need a cig right now have one, don't blame yourself, it is an addiction like you said.

But if you have not been enjoying vaping and still managed 9 weeks, and you still feel the way you do, maybe it isn't the cigs that are the problem.

It's not so much wanting a cigarette as having to deal with the anxiety and depression that come about from not smoking. I don't know why that is, obviously it is more than just nicotine . I have heard that the cigarette companies lace their tobacco with maoi's which help regulate serotonin in the brain , serotonin regulation and uptake has a great deal to do with anxiety and depression. I heard that there are other alakloids present in tobacco also that have a similar effect , so i got the WTA juice , that seemed to help for a while , but now it doesn't seem any different from regular juice . As for 9 weeks , many people stop for years at a time and still feel as though they are struggling against the addiction , 9 weeks is nothing really . I smoke because i am addicted and because when i stop smoking the anxiety and depression becomes unmanageable . It got to the point where my anxiety became unmanageable whilst i was smoking because my health concerns were bothering me so much . I don't blame myself , and vaping isn't pissing me off , it just simply is not working as i hoped it would , so it looks like i will be returning to smoking , which i don't want to do

[BrenD]

May 24, 2014 22:27:08 GMT @alopezg1 said:

May 24, 2014 22:13:28 GMT jackcustard said:

Mate, I'm saying don't blame yourself for wanting to smoke or not vape. If vaping is pissing you off an making you feel down at the mo, don't do it. If you feel you need a cig right now have one, don't blame yourself, it is an addiction like you said.

But if you have not been enjoying vaping and still managed 9 weeks, and you still feel the way you do, maybe it isn't the cigs that are the problem.

It's not so much wanting a cigarette as having to deal with the anxiety and depression that come about from not smoking. I don't know why that is, obviously it is more than just nicotine . I have heard that the cigarette companies lace their tobacco with maoi's which help regulate serotonin in the brain , serotonin regulation and uptake has a great deal to do with anxiety and depression. I heard that there are other alakloids present in tobacco also that have a similar effect , so i got the WTA juice , that seemed to help for a while , but now it doesn't seem any different from regular juice . As for 9 weeks , many people stop for years at a time and still feel as though they are struggling against the addiction , 9 weeks is nothing really . I smoke because i am addicted and because when i stop smoking the anxiety and depression becomes unmanageable . It got to the point where my anxiety became unmanageable whilst i was smoking because my health concerns were bothering me so much . I don't blame myself , and vaping isn't pissing me off , it just simply is not working as i hoped it would , so it looks like i will be returning to smoking , which i don't want to do

I 'quit' about five years ago and wasn't really a heavy smoker at the time.  But the longest I have gone without a cigarette in that time is the last four months or so since I started vaping.  I got to the stage where I wasn't smoking every day, but as soon as life got slightly stressful or I put myself in proximity to alcohol, I reached for the stinkies.  I don't think you can ever really be free from any addiction, you can do your best to manage things, but it will always be there.

Thankfully vaping allows me to manage things.

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May 24, 2014 22:35:20 GMT BrenD said:

May 24, 2014 22:27:08 GMT @alopezg1 said:

It's not so much wanting a cigarette as having to deal with the anxiety and depression that come about from not smoking. I don't know why that is, obviously it is more than just nicotine . I have heard that the cigarette companies lace their tobacco with maoi's which help regulate serotonin in the brain , serotonin regulation and uptake has a great deal to do with anxiety and depression. I heard that there are other alakloids present in tobacco also that have a similar effect , so i got the WTA juice , that seemed to help for a while , but now it doesn't seem any different from regular juice . As for 9 weeks , many people stop for years at a time and still feel as though they are struggling against the addiction , 9 weeks is nothing really . I smoke because i am addicted and because when i stop smoking the anxiety and depression becomes unmanageable . It got to the point where my anxiety became unmanageable whilst i was smoking because my health concerns were bothering me so much . I don't blame myself , and vaping isn't pissing me off , it just simply is not working as i hoped it would , so it looks like i will be returning to smoking , which i don't want to do

I 'quit' about five years ago and wasn't really a heavy smoker at the time.  But the longest I have gone without a cigarette in that time is the last four months or so since I started vaping.  I got to the stage where I wasn't smoking every day, but as soon as life got slightly stressful or I put myself in proximity to alcohol, I reached for the stinkies.  I don't think you can ever really be free from any addiction, you can do your best to manage things, but it will always be there.

Thankfully vaping allows me to manage things.

There seem to be people on here that haven't smoked in years . The idea that i will never be free from smoking cigarettes makes me feel dreadful . You say you quit 5 years ago, how long was that for?

[misst]

Again, forgive the presumption, but might it be an idea to look into treatment for the depression/anxiety which addresses the chemical imbalances in the brain which happen with those illnesses? You'd probably find giving up the cigs easier if you're not dependant on them, as you suspect, for the other chemicals found in them. (Does that make sense?)

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May 24, 2014 22:49:11 GMT misst said:

Again, forgive the presumption, but might it be an idea to look into treatment for the depression/anxiety which addresses the chemical imbalances in the brain which happen with those illnesses? You'd probably find giving up the cigs easier if you're not dependant on them, as you suspect, for the other chemicals found in them. (Does that make sense?)

Thanks misst but i am already on medication for those imbalances

[jackcustard]

I think maybe you are fixating over cigs being the problem in your life. Which is worse cig related illnesses or stress related illnesses?

For you right now I would say a stress related illness is doing you more harm in the long run than a cig related one.

I would go to your GP and see what advice they have.

[misst]

Ahh right. Me too. How long since your meds were reviewed? Is your doc aware of this latest attempt to quit smoking? Could be that you could do with upping the dosage or changing the meds as your body acclimatises to not smoking. 9 weeks is long enough for your body to feel those effects. Then as you go along you can lower the meds again.

[babs]

Hi @alopezg1 I am one of the lucky ones that didn't even try to give up smoking it happened naturally I smoked and vaped for a couple of days but found I preferred vaping. I do however use at least a dozen different flavours which I constantly switch around. I think from reading through your posts you are putting yourself under too much pressure. Also the WTA juice may in fact be making it less enjoyable as it's restricting your choice of flavours. I was at least a 20 a day smoker often going up to 40 for more than 50 years. I tried all the nrt choices and they never worked for more than a couple of months and I felt I was missing the cigarettes while I was on them. I have never vaped a tobacco flavoured juice as it doesn't appeal to me I use mainly fruits occasionally with menthol. I started on 18mg strength which I haven't even attempted to cut down on. I would suggest that you try to relax about it and if you really feel the need for a cigarette to have one. Once you are more relaxed I think the enjoyment from vaping will become more satisfying for you. As things stand with you at the moment you are enjoying nothing and it will become a never ending circle of guilt which will only make you ill.

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May 24, 2014 22:56:54 GMT jackcustard said:

I think maybe you are fixating over cigs being the problem in your life. Which is worse cig related illnesses or stress related illnesses?

For you right now I would say a stress related illness is doing you more harm in the long run than a cig related one.

I would go to your GP and see what advice they have.

It's not just about an illness i may contract in the future , i feel shit from them now. I can't exercise properley and i can't free dive . free diving is one of the best ways i have of keeping sane , as soon as i start smoking that goes out the window ..... i don't want to start smoking again , i think i am probably worse when i am smoking . I start drinking again as soon as I start smoking to deal with the depression then i have to get myself out of that hole as well, again. I was under the impression that it would get easier with time and that is what has kept me going , it doesn't seem to be working out that way