I'm a mixing virgin! Couple of questions

[rivuzu]

Evening all!

Ok, so, I'm starting to realise I'm spending more on liquids now than I ever did with tobacco.  Mostly because I keep seeing this and that shiney new tasty sounding liquid, and keep ordering it in.  Aside from the strain on the wallet, the missus also doesn't quite understand my obsession with my hunt for the ADV, or even more simply my urge to experiment with absolutely everything I can.

Now, I've tried some other peoples homebrew'd mixes and they've turned out absolutely lovely.  I remember someone gave me a T-Juice High Voltage DIY-mix, and then buying the actual thing from the company - and I found I preferred the DIY more.  Not sure why, possibly the ratio used.

But I'm a bit nervous about learning to mix myself so, if you'd entertain me, I've got a couple of questions!

Bottom line, is it cheaper?  After buying the bottles, the base Nic, the PG/VG and flavourings (as well as any other tools used), how much would you save as opposed to buying a premixed "gourmet" liquid?

How simple is it?  If I'm understanding it correctly, it's just basic math and filling a bottle.  Hardly Die Hard 3 elephant park stuff.  

What are the golden rules to DIY mixing?  What are the key things to watch out for?

Appreciate the help!

Edit: Also, I apologies kindly board elves if I posted this in the wrong place!

[Roscopecotrain]

Yes it is a lot easier than you think. Not eveb basic maths. I just follow what the calculater tells me or what someones recipe says. It is that easy.

Cheaper yes. A lot cheaper than gourmet liquids and still cheaper than cheap e liquids.

Golden rule. Have fun and use your imagination.

Sent from me from some far away land.

[rivuzu]

Aug 13, 2014 20:35:34 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

Yes it is a lot easier than you think. Not eveb basic maths. I just follow what the calculater tells me or what someones recipe says. It is that easy.

Cheaper yes. A lot cheaper than gourmet liquids and still cheaper than cheap e liquids.

Golden rule. Have fun and use your imagination.

Sent from me from some far away land.

Thanks for that!
To put the price into comparison then, if a gourmet 30ml bottle is say, £15, how much would a DIY equivalent for the same measure be?    

[csmith10]

It's very easy using the calculator that's pinned at the top of this board. It's certainly cheaper too and you get a better quality liquid at the end of it. So far I've mixed custard live child, vanilla cheesecake, and jack the ripple for myself and I've enjoyed them all, I've also mixed for my wife with good success where as we were buying 10ml of premixed juices at £3-4 a pop and not liking a majority of them. At least if you don't like one of your own mixes its only about £1 wasted!
You also have the option of tweaking mixes. You set your own pg/vg, flavour levels, sweetness etc.

[Perpetua]

Aug 13, 2014 20:28:56 GMT rivuzu said:

Evening all!

Ok, so, I'm starting to realise I'm spending more on liquids now than I ever did with tobacco.  Mostly because I keep seeing this and that shiney new tasty sounding liquid, and keep ordering it in.  Aside from the strain on the wallet, the missus also doesn't quite understand my obsession with my hunt for the ADV, or even more simply my urge to experiment with absolutely everything I can.

Now, I've tried some other peoples homebrew'd mixes and they've turned out absolutely lovely.  I remember someone gave me a T-Juice High Voltage DIY-mix, and then buying the actual thing from the company - and I found I preferred the DIY more.  Not sure why, possibly the ratio used.

But I'm a bit nervous about learning to mix myself so, if you'd entertain me, I've got a couple of questions!

Bottom line, is it cheaper?  After buying the bottles, the base Nic, the PG/VG and flavourings (as well as any other tools used), how much would you save as opposed to buying a premixed "gourmet" liquid?

How simple is it?  If I'm understanding it correctly, it's just basic math and filling a bottle.  Hardly Die Hard 3 elephant park stuff.  

What are the golden rules to DIY mixing?  What are the key things to watch out for?

Appreciate the help!

Edit: Also, I apologies kindly board elves if I posted this in the wrong place!

Patience is the big one for me . . . some flavours don't require much steeping, but most benefit from a week at least  - Custards/Desserts longer to be at their nicest. And don't be tempted to make vast quantities, until you get a feel for your concentrates working with your taste buds.

Start with some ' standalone ' flavours, Tjuice are perfect.

It is less costly, although I've never bothered doing the Maths, the attraction of DIY for me was being able to mix at ratio's that gave me a flavoursome vape . . . 3+years ago there wasn't the selection of tasty ' boutique ' ready mades around  . . . so mixing seemed like the perfect solution. I guess I can make a 30ml bottle of home brew for around £1.50 - £2.50 depending upon the flavours used.

No rocket science involved, a good calculator is essential:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/page/calculator

ejuice.breaktru.com/

And a read through this thread to get a basic understanding of the process and ingredients used:

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/21122/beginners-guide-mixing?page=1&scrollTo=393373

[Greg]

Aug 13, 2014 20:38:11 GMT rivuzu said:

Aug 13, 2014 20:35:34 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

Yes it is a lot easier than you think. Not eveb basic maths. I just follow what the calculater tells me or what someones recipe says. It is that easy.

Cheaper yes. A lot cheaper than gourmet liquids and still cheaper than cheap e liquids.

Golden rule. Have fun and use your imagination.

Sent from me from some far away land.

Thanks for that!
To put the price into comparison then, if a gourmet 30ml bottle is say, £15, how much would a DIY equivalent for the same measure be?    

Using tjuice as an example I'd say it would cost around £3 - £3.50 to make 30ml.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Aug 13, 2014 20:28:56 GMT rivuzu said:

Evening all!

Ok, so, I'm starting to realise I'm spending more on liquids now than I ever did with tobacco.  Mostly because I keep seeing this and that shiney new tasty sounding liquid, and keep ordering it in.  Aside from the strain on the wallet, the missus also doesn't quite understand my obsession with my hunt for the ADV, or even more simply my urge to experiment with absolutely everything I can.

Now, I've tried some other peoples homebrew'd mixes and they've turned out absolutely lovely.  I remember someone gave me a T-Juice High Voltage DIY-mix, and then buying the actual thing from the company - and I found I preferred the DIY more.  Not sure why, possibly the ratio used.

But I'm a bit nervous about learning to mix myself so, if you'd entertain me, I've got a couple of questions!

Bottom line, is it cheaper?  After buying the bottles, the base Nic, the PG/VG and flavourings (as well as any other tools used), how much would you save as opposed to buying a premixed "gourmet" liquid?

How simple is it?  If I'm understanding it correctly, it's just basic math and filling a bottle.  Hardly Die Hard 3 elephant park stuff.  

What are the golden rules to DIY mixing?  What are the key things to watch out for?

Appreciate the help!

Edit: Also, I apologies kindly board elves if I posted this in the wrong place!

From what I recall, typically 10ml of DIY juice often comes in at under a quid, depending on flavour percentages, strength, etc.



Yes DIY mixing is simple for straight forward mixes. Most people use an online mixing calculator for the maths, such as the one on my site, this forum, or ejuicemeup.

Put into the calculator the various strengths, desired PG/VG ratio, etc. and it will tell you what to add to your bottle.



When making a mix for the first time, start small, say 5-10ml max. That way if it doesn't turn out how you hoped then you won't have wasted much.
Remember to steep to allow the flavours to blend and combine. .... and enjoy!


If you have any questions, during your venture into mixing, just ask.

[rivuzu]

F- me blind. A quid per 10ml? Considering some places are asking about £8-9?
Why did I not do this sooner!
I'm more on the fruit/dessert flavours than anything, so will definitely be swinging that way. And yeah, it really does look simple - simpler than it sounds anyway - after further inspection.

Think I've got a bit of a shopping trip to do this weekend...

[Perpetua]

One word of caution rivuzu . . . . . . . .



Concentrate Buying is highly addictive!

[csmith10]

Aug 13, 2014 20:38:11 GMT rivuzu said:

Aug 13, 2014 20:35:34 GMT Roscopecotrain said:

Yes it is a lot easier than you think. Not eveb basic maths. I just follow what the calculater tells me or what someones recipe says. It is that easy.

Cheaper yes. A lot cheaper than gourmet liquids and still cheaper than cheap e liquids.

Golden rule. Have fun and use your imagination.

Sent from me from some far away land.

Thanks for that!
To put the price into comparison then, if a gourmet 30ml bottle is say, £15, how much would a DIY equivalent for the same measure be?    

This is for a very simple one flavour mix at 15% flavour and 50/50

Afro £3.95 for 10ml
4.5ml used = £1.77
72mg nic £12 for 100ml
5ml used = £0.60p
VG £1.29 for 200ml
10ml used = 6p
PG £2 for 100ml
10.5ml used = 21p

Total= £2.64

[csmith10]

Aug 13, 2014 20:49:09 GMT rivuzu said:

F- me blind. A quid per 10ml? Considering some places are asking about £8-9?
Why did I not do this sooner!
I'm more on the fruit/dessert flavours than anything, so will definitely be swinging that way. And yeah, it really does look simple - simpler than it sounds anyway - after further inspection.

Think I've got a bit of a shopping trip to do this weekend...

Try vapers emporium for your bases and chefs vapour for concentrates

[igual]

I'd also reccomend justvape247 , decadent vapours , t juice , alchemist cupboard.
If you look in mixing section there are same fab tried and tested recipes ( custardy lovechild is wicked )
Shinys fluid is great but that's an anise absinthe liquorice melodrama.
Make sure to get some 1 mil syringes for measuring nic and flavours and some 5 mil for pg / VG Also get some clear nail polish to coat the markings on syringes with.
Get the big bore blunt 14 guage needles.
Get a supply of bottles 5 mil 10 mil and a few 30 mils.
Get some menthol crystals from local chemist
If you pm me your address I have some vanillin I can send so you can make that up if you want.
Get some labels to keep track of what is in what bottle and make sure to date your mixes as free it might be nasty chuck in draw few weeks/months later it's lovely if its dated you know how long its been steeping.
Use some bluetack to keep bottles stuck down when mixing.
Make sure you have water to rinse syringes out in and juice roll ( kitchen roll) for cleaning up.
Some where gloves if you wantsome vanillin iI'll pop in a few pairs of black nitrile gloves.

I'm sure there's more but brain is hurting