Help with first RDA IGO L

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Hi everyone hope your all well?

Despite reading up on making coils and rewicking I still feel like I need a better understanding of why so many different types of wire and how come the wicks come in so many different flavours (no pun intended)? I have a small selection of wire and wicks that another member kindly sent me to initially get me going but I have no idea which to use and what affect each one would have?

I am not looking for the easy option here where everyone does my work for me and I sit back, just I guess some pointers in the right direction to some informative reading? I have the general idea of how to build a coil thanks to Super-Shiny but are micro coils better and do they only work on a mech mod, what difference would more or less coils make (I presume this alters the resistance)? The many you tubers vids I have watched all seem to use the same wire and eco wool so I presume there is a universal set of equipment I could stock up on to complete most tasks ? 

Don't get me wrong its not because I have to start making my own, but because I can't wait to have a go being hands on throughout my working life Ihave always got on eeveryone's nerves pulling things apart then rebuilding them, just a final couple of questions are all pre bought coils rebuildable mainly kangertech? Does the wire and wick always need to be flamed with a blow torch?

I am fairly certain I have got the ball rolling and may have more questions when I get some replays, on a final note I apologise if these have been asked a thousand times I have tried searching the forum for other posts but to a newbie navigating here is a learning curve lol 

Regards

Craig

[leo]

In short... there is no easy answer, so much depends on what device you are using, what atty, what juice, what you want from your vape, etc, etc.
So some info on your kit would help....
But yes, more wraps in a coil gives a higher resistance.
Adding another coil (dual coil) halves the resistance.
Flaming coils is not necessary, but it removes the springiness from the wire, so can make it easier to get your coil wrapped.. not a big deal with a simple micro-coil, as you can usually dry burn it (depending on your equipment), but if/when you start twisting coils it's a life saver)
If you are going to build your own coils, get a resistance checker, and do your homework on ohms law!!
(and give us more info on your kit, and what you want to achieve)

[Cousin Itt]

Thinner the wire = more resistance
Thicker wire = less resistance
The longer the piece of wire the more resistance it will have so more coils = more resistance as you use more wire.
Thicker wire is easier to use than thinner wire and makes a sturdier coil .

The main questions people will need to know is what is your target resistance and what mod are you using it on ? Do you have something to check the coil resistance with ?

I like my coils anywhere from .7-1.2ohm and I pretty much only use .25mm twisted wire to cover that .

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OK thanks guys good answers including one I forgot to ask regarding duel coils and how it affects resistance at the battery end? I don't have much in the way of equipment yet just an i-taste vv3 vamo v5 powered by 650 10amp battery igo-l RDA and an aerotank mini. I plan to use the vv and a multi meter to test the coils and fire them for the 1st few times before using the coil on the vamo, the rda prob needs just the one coil with a decent short wick for testing juices out so how would I best wick this up? Although im a cloud chaser (it sounds daft but more vapour makes me feel better as I have only been off stinkies 6mth) I still feel bad blowing loads of vapour with my my kids around and tend to still vape near a window lol so I guess I'm going for taste then over clouds?

I believe the I taste and vamo won't fire below 1.2 ohm so Ifigured on 1.5 - 2.0ohm coils, are the kanger coils rebuildable, as it seems a waste to throw them out for the sake of a bit of wire and wick?

[leo]

The Vamo is a pretty decent resistance checker... even if it won't fire below 1ohm it will tell you the resistance below 1 ohm, so if you want to get yourself a mech, and build coils at less than 1ohm you can check them on the Vamo.
Dual 1ohm coils will give you a 0.5ohm resistance overall.
I don't know which battery you have, but if it really is 10amp you should be safe down to 0.5 ohms (but there are websites out there that list all the batteries and their safe levels - at work atm so can't find the link), but you NEED to be up on your battery safety before thinking about sub-ohming. A Sony VTC5 is a great investment at this stage!
If you like more clouds/more flavour I'd suggest a mech with your rda (or a dna type device, but they're more expensive).
PM me if you fancy trying a mech, I have a couple that I don't use too much.

For wick, if you are using cotton, you want it snug in the coil. Not tight, but definitely not loose either. And the tails should be touching the deck at least. Keep your wick away from any airflow, and keep your coils raised above where the airflow enters the atty slightly, and you should be good.

RDA's didn't really take off for me until I got to 0.8ohms and less. But on a regulated device like a DNA (I use a sigelei 50w) they work well at higher resistances.
I don't like rda's on the Vamo because it uses Pulse Width Modulation to regulate output (watch some pbusardo vids to get your head around pwm), and it gives a burnt taste more readily because of it.

[Romney]

That's Priceless Info leo has given you  craig,and a really nice thing for him to offer a lend of a Mod.Good on you leo

[buggritt]

Using microcoils, with cotton or rayon, means you don't need to change the coil every time you rewick. A coils can last for months. But it's easier just to wrap wire round a strand of ekowool or silica.
Your Igo-L will need drilling if you want to use dual coils as it only has one airhole. I use mine with a single coil at 1.3 ohms. Works happily on a Vamo.

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Thank you leo if I'm honest some of that went over my head despite reading it several times lol. Sub ohm coils are not what I'm looking for just yet I would prefer to play it safe for now and just build 1.5 to 2.0 ohm. Thanks for the offer of using one of you mechs too but the truth is I'm just not comfortable or confident with a device that has no protection circuits, think I have filled my head too much with the horror stories of li-on battery's going wrong?

Romney is correct though very sound advice Leo and a kind offer that i hope still stands when I gain more experiance? Will read up on some of your advice including pwm but does the vamo still output the same way in RMS mode?

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Sept 19, 2014 9:54:18 GMT buggritt said:

Your Igo-L will need drilling if you want to use dual coils as it only has one airhole. I use mine with a single coil at 1.3 ohms. Works happily on a Vamo.

Hi buggritt thanks for the reply also sound advice    So i gather from what your saying is because a micro coil is effectively welded together by using a blow torch or dry burning as opposed to being loosely wound around silica, they tend to out last several wicks? 
Yes running it with a single coil at 1.3ohm sounds ideal for tasting several diy juices? i have to admit a diy single micro coil whereby i can just change the wick sounds great but are these always sub-ohm?

Am i making any sence of all this lol

Cheers

[buggritt]

Don't know if they last longer, but I wouldn't want to try rewicking a hand wound coil.
A microcoil can be ay ohms you want. It works the same as ay coil, the more wire, the higher ohms. Best bet is .3mm Kanthal to go either way.
The problem with using drippers to test juices is that you get far more flavour from a dripper. So, unless you use a kayfun, or another high end atomizer, it won't taste any where near the same.
Tis a slippery slope.

[leo]

Sept 19, 2014 13:54:31 GMT @cra1g said:

Thank you leo if I'm honest some of that went over my head despite reading it several times lol. Sub ohm coils are not what I'm looking for just yet I would prefer to play it safe for now and just build 1.5 to 2.0 ohm. Thanks for the offer of using one of you mechs too but the truth is I'm just not comfortable or confident with a device that has no protection circuits, think I have filled my head too much with the horror stories of li-on battery's going wrong?

Romney is correct though very sound advice Leo and a kind offer that i hope still stands when I gain more experiance? Will read up on some of your advice including pwm but does the vamo still output the same way in RMS mode?

Haha, yes, apologies for chucking you in at the deep end, but if you're anything like me (and kit wise I was exactly where you are a few months ago) you'll be heading over to the cloudy side soon enough.
Basically I wish I could have avoided the ego/ce4/vamo/kayfun part of my vape journey and headed straight to mechs and drippers - because that's what I enjoy - but we'll all get where we are going one way or another.
My point was that in my experience you won't get the best out of a dripper at those high ohms, but give it a go and see how you like it.
As for the Vamo, rms or mean is how it measures the output, and you should stick to rms, but in either mode it is adjusting that output using pwm. When you use your vamo you may experience a kind of 'rattle snake' sound from your attys - that's the pwm cutting the power to give you your desired voltage. DC devices (mechs/dna type) don't do that... they just put out a flat signal giving a smoother vape imo. I think the pwm is what caused me to experience a burnt taste using my Vamo, as I can vape my drippers at 50w (sigelei box) to 90w (0.2ohm on a mech) at not get any burnt taste. The vamo I couldn't get over about 10-11w before it started to make any atty taste nasty. But that is just my experience, lot's of folk love their vamo's.

Micro coils aren't welded together, but the torching takes out the springiness of the wire, making it easier to wrap your coils close together (touching basically). Once built and torched or dry-burned a micro coil will keep it's shape, unless you really muller it when you re-wick it. Watch some of the Rip Trippers vids on how to build a micro coil (or just about any other type of coil that exists)
Also, micro coils are not the only way, a loose wrap can work pretty well. You just have to have a play and see what you like.

And yes, any time you feel ready for a mech, shoot me a pm, I've got more of the things than I need!

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Ah I understand a bit more of what your saying now leo after doing some reading while my youngest was asleep this afo, thanks for taking the time I appreciate it and your kind offer? I do like the vamo but I expect compared to what I had its more advanced and lasts longer.

As for chucking me in at the deep end I'm bringing a raft next time I ask a question here lol, as you say we all start somewhere and end up going where were going eventually depending I guess how interested we are in learning?

I do recall something about PWM with regards to motors that powered satellite dishes many moons ago when I was an engineer for sky (one of many trades unfortunately) so if I do go down the same route as you in time Iguess iI need to put my mind at rest that I understand it fully and I can reap the benefits safely ?

Thanks again Leo and your advice is always welcome!

Will continue to read it over and take your advice seriously

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Bump

Think everyone is in the pub (virtual or real) while I'm stuck in the twilight zone with a naughty sprog still teethin, oh life where have you gone I miss you so much !

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[Romney]

Sept 19, 2014 21:01:01 GMT @cra1g said:

Bump

Think everyone is in the pub (virtual or real) while I'm stuck in the twilight zone with a naughty sprog still teethin, oh life where have you gone I miss you so much !

If I was part of starfleet tonight my wish would be BEAM ME UP SCOTLAND

come down to the Dunwhezzin Arms and ill buy you a drink @cra1g

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Sept 19, 2014 21:23:52 GMT Romney said:

Sept 19, 2014 21:01:01 GMT @cra1g said:

Bump

Think everyone is in the pub (virtual or real) while I'm stuck in the twilight zone with a naughty sprog still teethin, oh life where have you gone I miss you so much !

If I was part of starfleet tonight my wish would be BEAM ME UP SCOTLAND

come down to the Dunwhezzin Arms and ill buy you a drink @cra1g

On me way now how did i just get there ????