Wow, it's a minefield!

[Chrissie]

Hello & welcome Maccafan

Have a look at this pinned thread, lots of pics/videos to help anyone starting out with e-cigs -

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=newmembers&thread=2349&page=1#74660


A shorter video showing how to fill cartomisers -

[leftfield]

Typically a cartomiser holds around 25 drops of liquid on the very first fill and after that you only need to top it up with anywhere between 4 to 6 drops just to keep it moist.

There is roughly 20 drops per 1ml so you get around 1ml of liquid in your cartomiser.

Kr808D-1's I think are really good for testing the water with ecigs but like everyone else always says, there's stronger ecigs out there that last longer. Kr808d-1's are solid performers though with around 2 hours between charges, so with a pair of them you can get through around half a day depending on how often you actually hit them.

It really depends on you though, if you want a stronger throat hit or actually need a longer lasting battery. I know I do but that's me and I don't want to force anyone to buy anything they don't need or want to in the first place

[DiscoDes]

KRD808-1 Cartomiser refilling video:

[maccafan]

Many thanks and I did find those videos quite informative..

I suppose my next step is to find out how effective this is as an alternative to smoking and try and narrow down a suitable e-liquid for myself..The number of varieties out there are mind boggling.

[Chrissie]

I think you will find it very effective

[maccafan]

I certainly hope so..After 3 years of abstinence my nose really protests against the stink of cigarettes..

After reading a variety of posts and sorting through a plethora of information scattered on the interweb, I sorta hypothesized a a relation between battery capacity and number of smokes/vapes and I would like any experienced vapers to comment upon. Most likely I got it wrong but here goes..

The mah of the battery is roughly equal to the number of puffs ie., a 280 mah battery should give between 250 to 300 puffs. An average smoker takes between 8-10 puffs per cig so a decent 280 mah battery with the proper resistance cart should be good for about 25 cigs equivalent.

Please advise..

[DiscoDes]

Sort of but not quite, people use e-cigs in a different way to analogues (tobacco ciggies) you'll probably find you pick it up take a few puffs then put it down. So on and so forth. Occasionally you may puff on it a bit longer especially if you've found a juice that you like the flavour of. I'll vape more if I'm on the pop like most people would or just after a meal.

With E-cigs the way the nicotine is absorbed is slightly different to analogues, I certainly vape more than I smoked. You can still get a "buzz" though b ut you may have to try harder or use a strong juice. But it will alleviate the cravings, unfortunately there are other chemicals in analogues that contribute to addiction, not just nicotine so you MAY still crave, but it will be much more manageable.

It's hard to put an actual analogue to e-cig equivalent but like you have been advised especially if it's new the KRD808-1 charge wise should last about 5 - 7 analogues long. However as you are putting a lot of strain on these small batteries they do degrade rather quickly and may only last a few months before they cop out.

Have you considered the SD Keyring? OK so it's only slightly higher mAh capacity of 300 mAh but I think it's a LiPo battery and the cartomisers it comes with are matched to the battery to make it an excellent choice. One will last me 3 - 4 hours. A KRD808-1 would last me 1 - 2 hours.

Keep asking!

[Chrissie]

The mAh of the battery is really how long it last between recharges. A 280 mAh battery would only last about 2 hours of vaping for the average vaper. It's why we tend to recommend the larger e-cigs like the Riva 510 with 1100mAh batteries.

[maccafan]

Thanks..I did look at the SD keyring but decided to go for the KR808 because the kit comes with two auto batteries and a wireless charger which I wanted..

I doubt there will be a head rush/buzz in vaping purely because I am sure that is caused by CO depleting oxygen in your blood.

If I take to it I will probably go for a 1000+ mah battery with a tank clearomizer, most probably the Riva but it may never come to that..I might quit when my KR808 gives up the ghost..

I know people keep saying vaping is not NRT but to me, it is..

[leftfield]

For every 100 - 120 mah in a battery you can expect around one hour of light vaping.

For the kr808d-1's I have I get about 2 hours out of them, maybe close to 3 on a good day. It's enough vaping time compared to charging time (which is shorter than how long you can vape one for) that you can cycle them, one charging and one to vape. Charging them both up for the night you'd get around 4 hours from two fresh batteries.

You can get a charging case for them but I'd say you could probably geta 650mah or higher riva or ego for just a bit more than a charging case would be to be honest.

[maccafan]

Jan 13, 2012 17:16:55 GMT leftfield said:

..... that you can cycle them, one charging and one to vape. Charging them both up for the night you'd get around 4 hours from two fresh batteries.

That was the logic what made me decide to go for this kit..I am usually on or near switched on comp. most of the time either at work or at home as I run a home media server on a old knackered lappy..

I however still can't work out why 2 hours of vaping time isn't enough to carry a 15-20 a day smoker through the day..When I smoke it's usually 5 minutes a cigarette which would be 100 minutes of smoking a day if I smoke 20 (personally it's more like 18/day), which is 1 hour and 40 minutes. I don't drink so my cigarette consumption is fairly consistent. So 2 hours of vaping should cover my daily requirement and then some, unless normally one would vape more than they smoke when they take it up.

I guess I 'll find out when I try it..

Maybe in 2 years time, I will have it hooked up to a car battery..who knows..

[DiscoDes]

Jan 13, 2012 17:44:36 GMT maccafan said:

Jan 13, 2012 17:16:55 GMT leftfield said:

I guess I 'll find out when I try it..

Maybe in 2 years time, I will have it hooked up to a car battery..who knows..

You will, you will, you will.

You can hook one up to the car battery, in fact I do! I have a pass-thru that goes into the lighter socket in my car.

[leftfield]

It's fairly common to vape more than you smoke but not everyone will.

The average vaper will use 2 - 3ml of liquid a day.

You can get by with a pair of kr808 if you do have somewhere to charge them most of the time like I do so yeah, they could work out for you

There are other reasons to get higher mah rated batteries though:

- You can use lower resistance heating elements on them (cartomisers/atomisers etc) which you shouldn't on lower mah rated batteries. Lower resistance means more vapour and hotter vapour but it's personal preference if you feel you need more heat or not. It's not advised to use anything lower than 2.5ohms if your ecig isn't rated 650mah or over as it could damage it.

- As the batteries run for longer, they take longer to go through recharce cycles and last longer as a result.

- Bigger batteries can have a higher voltage. Take the riva, which starts at 4.2volts off the battery. Higher voltages again create more heat out of the heating element you use with your ecig.

- Higher mah means you don't need to charge your battery as often for those times you don't have somewhere to charge them.

It really does come down to personal preference. If all I had was my pair of kr808d-1's I'd still vape rather than smoke as they would get me by for cheaper and give me the nicotine I need. Whatever keeps you off the smokes

[maccafan]

That's very informative, so thanks. For me, it's all about the throat hit so if I find that I need a hotter vapour then it looks like I will have to up the ante..

Like you say, whatever to keep me off the baccy..The price really is immaterial..I was thinking more about weight and the inconv. of having a heavy battery hanging off the end of my lips..

I am sure someone will come up with a solar powered device. Then you could have a light low mah battery without having to worry about vaping time..

I take it that the Kr808 also uses Li-Ion batteries..I intend to use the cartomiser that comes with it and refill it a few times so I guess the resistance should be compatible..

Also can someone please advise as to the difference between the RIVA 510 and 901?

[leftfield]

The only difference between the riva 510 and 901 is the threading.

510 is more standard with 901 being less conventional.

Well... I say that but there's almost just as much compatable with 901 these days. You can use 808 cartomisers with the riva and 901 atomisers.

You can also use a 901/808 to 510 converter piece to use 510 gear on the 901 riva.

A cheaper alternative for you to the riva could be a 5v or 3.7v passthrough. It'll be just one battery but since you are near a power source you could use one of those.

For passthroughs there are two types:

With an in-line battery or without.

You'd probably want the one with a battery in it as then you can use it when it's charged without a power supply whereas the ones without a battery you need constant power sources.

You could use a passthrough at the computer/from a wall socket and use the kr808d-1's when you're outside or need hands free vaping.

I'm not too sure where the cheapest passthroughs are. I'm chrissie could point you to a really cheap one