Evolve DNA 40 clone temp control - first look :)

[tpat591]

Apr 18, 2015 11:35:26 GMT tpat591 said:

Willie had the right idea in sticking a proper floating pin from a FDV into it. Waidea said when they tried a floating pin they weren't happy with the results but you would probably get a better connection with the floating pin & a proper ground.

Willie reported back & apparently the FD V4 floating center pin was too long & bottomed out on the battery positive pin so the effort was a failure.  A V3 center pin is short enough but the insulator diameter is too small to screw into the existing 510 barrel.

[Croak]

So after faffing about with my Waidea all day, I've come to the conclusion that having a very secure connection between the top plate and the main body is essential for proper grounding. Ran a solder line around the 510 cable so there's a solid electrical connection between it and the brass nut, and was still having weak battery issues.

So I roughed up the top of the chassis and the bottom of the plate with a razor blade and Scotch plastic scouring pad, cleaned it all real good with isopropyl alcohol, and then used a good quality T5 tipped driver and really snugged that bugger down, using the old lug-nut method, tightening opposite corners in a star pattern, while putting a lot of downward pressure on the plate with my fingers.

Working like a champ now, three tanks later.

[letsavit]

Apr 19, 2015 7:26:37 GMT Croak said:

So after faffing about with my Waidea all day, I've come to the conclusion that having a very secure connection between the top plate and the main body is essential for proper grounding. Ran a solder line around the 510 cable so there's a solid electrical connection between it and the brass nut, and was still having weak battery issues.

So I roughed up the top of the chassis and the bottom of the plate with a razor blade and Scotch plastic scouring pad, cleaned it all real good with isopropyl alcohol, and then used a good quality T5 tipped driver and really snugged that bugger down, using the old lug-nut method, tightening opposite corners in a star pattern, while putting a lot of downward pressure on the plate with my fingers.

Working like a champ now, three tanks later.

Exactly the issues I was having on my ZNA I put a DNA40 in, the ground which is a screw to the body i soldered to oxidised.

[tpat591]

Apr 14, 2015 10:03:07 GMT robby said:

I`ve just got one of the Waidea ones, haven`t raced it yet though Will be posting a review tomorrow

Keep checking back in to read your review. Did you post it somewhere else?

[tpat591]

Nicole popped on the ECF thread to give us an update:

Andy from Waidea skyped me tonight to say that they have sourced the brass ring terminal and they will implement it going forward. I also reiterated the need to establish a ground down into the chassis and Andy said they would implement that also ... we will see.

I knew she would be able to get them to take corrective action quickly on implementing changes in subsequent manufacturing runs after her review!

[robby]

I will be posting my review later tpat591. Do you know is Nicole going to change her review where she says the choice between the Kangxin and the Waidea is a no brainer in favour of the Waidea? (not my experience so far).

[tpat591]

That thought didn't even occur to me. I was just trying to use the power of the press to force a clone manufacturer in china to change a serious deficiency in an otherwise well built product as quickly as possible for the good of the community.

I don't really know her well enough to speak to that. I would think she might put a note on it that this issue came to light, she relayed the information to Waidea, and what their response was. I read another review by her that she later added a note at the end when something like this came up, but she never changed the original text of that review. I can't remember what product that was for though.

I do know she was surprised when I PM'd her and she had no idea about the problem. I only sent her the PM about the issue just before I posted that I did here.   She told the boss at Waidea Sunday night / Monday (morning in Shenzhen) & PM'd me back that the info was sent.   She popped on the ecf thread & posted tonight the followup that I posted here earlier. That's all I know.

Frankly what she does with her reviews isn't really my concern.

[robby]

Not a criticism of you tpat591. I wonder how many of them are out there waiting for the SS connector/wire to tarnish up and give false resistance readings etc, really was a crap way to connect up the ground.

[tpat591]

Apr 22, 2015 10:21:42 GMT robby said:

Not a criticism of you tpat591. I wonder how many of them are out there waiting for the SS connector/wire to tarnish up and give false resistance readings etc, really was a crap way to connect up the ground.

I agree completely.  If they had just put that wire loop they made under the nut that held the 510 in place & tightened it down it would have made a good ground & was probably what they meant to do when they designed it that way, but upon assembly the wires probably twisted as they tightened down & a genius line supervisor just told the workers to snug it up between the nut and the center pin cap without giving them washers to make up the difference.  You know as well as I do that after CNY there are a lot of QC issues due to untrained labor.  The bosses probably had no Idea they were going out that way. 

As far as I know WierdWillie was the first who had received one to actually pop the top cover on it.  Once I saw it, I had to post it here to inform.

You make a very good point though.  Nicole will probably do something with her review once she has a better idea what the Bosses at Waidea will decide to do about everyone who bought their product already.  We already posted warnings on the threads about it.  We got word to the Bosses on how to fix the units and they are instituting the changes on the manufacturing lines.  I think that  getting a Chinese clone manufacturer to fix a manufacturers deficiency in a matter of days is a pretty big feat in itself that I'm pretty proud of.

All the units people bought carry a 6 month warranty, but they need to ship back to China to get them fixed & considering how easy it is to fix, most of us who are mechanically inclined will probably pop the top ourselves and stick a washer in it to sort it rather than send it back & be without it for a month & half.

[robby]

My review here

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/53379/review-waidea-vaporflask-dna40-focalecig?page=1&scrollTo=924155

[robby]

Apr 22, 2015 11:28:25 GMT tpat591 said:

Apr 22, 2015 10:21:42 GMT robby said:

Not a criticism of you tpat591. I wonder how many of them are out there waiting for the SS connector/wire to tarnish up and give false resistance readings etc, really was a crap way to connect up the ground.

I agree completely.  If they had just put that wire loop they made under the nut that held the 510 in place & tightened it down it would have made a good ground & was probably what they meant to do when they designed it that way, but upon assembly the wires probably twisted & a genius line supervisor just told the workers to snug it up between the nut and the center pin cap without giving them washers to make up the difference.  You know as well as I do that after CNY there are a lot of QC issues due to untrained labor.  The bosses probably had no Idea they were going out that way. 

As far as I know WierdWillie was the first who had received one to actually pop the top cover on it.  Once I saw it, I had to post it here to inform.

You make a very good point though.  Nicole will probably do something with her review once she has a better idea what the Bosses at Waidea will decide to do about everyone who bought their product already.  We already posted warnings on the threads about it.  We got word to the Bosses on how to fix the units and they are instituting the changes on the manufacturing lines.  I think that  getting a Chinese clone manufacturer to fix a manufacturers deficiency in a matter of days is a pretty big feat in itself that I'm pretty proud of.

All the units people bought carry a 6 month warranty, but they need to ship back to China to get them fixed & considering how easy it is to fix, most of us who are mechanically inclined will probably pop the top ourselves and stick a washer in it to sort it rather than send it back & be without it for a month & half.

It`s a pity they didn`t get a couple of experienced vapers with electronic knowledge to have a look at them first. Would have cost them very little

[decoy]

i volunteer for testing new mods
if i cant brake it then ill send it to the mod destroyer jane

[robby]

Apr 22, 2015 14:32:11 GMT decoy said:

i volunteer for testing new mods
if i cant brake it then ill send it to the mod destroyer jane

as long as it`s you first, dont think there would be any second chances with Jane at the front of the queue

[robby]

oops

[tufur]

On April 22nd, I ordered a Waidea from focalcig and got it from the American warehouse in NC in four days to the left state of Kalifornia, left of Texas and right of China. LOL. I am only comparing it to my Kangxin flask I got in late January without the dirt collecting USB port. This flask is really attractive. It is actually anodized and well buffed. But, the top cap doesn't shape to the body milling. The brass battery caps are crudely threaded. The buttons are to die for. So. if you don't mind a finish that will dent, scratch and scrap in less than 6 months but is easy on the fingers, go with the 1:1 Wiadea. I don't see the not adjustable 510 connection as a problem. Just go buy a Smok 510 connector and it adjusts up to the addy and down to a 510 center pin. I currently use one on my Kangxin adjustable 510 connection. The ground connection problem is at the brass/aluminum connection on the bottom. Get some conductive grease or use heavy metal rear end lube. To state the obvious, both products are a good buy for the experienced vaper.

The buttons are to die for on the Waidea. They are big and feel good. The tiny fire button on my Kangxin is making a dimple in my forefinger.
The Kangxin is better internally designed with a stronger finished.  You choose as you wish, good buttons or durable finish.

Edit: Both of these devices are for experienced tinkers. One has a faulty ground line and the other has a pressed in 510 connector. both are fail for the common user that wish his device just to work.