Wales ban e-cigs in public places

[OneDay]

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/wales-bans-e-cigarettes-because-they-are-not-manly-2015060999036

[GunJack]

BBC Radio Wales phoned me this morning, to participate on the morning phone-in (Oliver Hides) as I had done so before, so along with doodlebug Katherine Devlin of ECITA and some others stuck up for vaping again

...as for this.......

Jun 9, 2015 6:17:47 GMT Perpetua said:

Just watched the interview . . . . what a knob.

Couldn't agree more, Drakeford wants to ignore all good research & evidence, and even the citizens of our fine country, and go with dogma and lies....stroll on the Assembly elections....

[Perpetua]

Still rumbling along on BBC 24 now . . . . with much positive comment for ecigs!

[GunJack]

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05xhyxx#auto

link to listen if anyone's interested...

[Matt Gluggles]

The big problem is that if vaping is banned indoors in Wales "because it looks like smoking" then that sets a terrible precedent.

[gill2009]

Good Job GunJack 

[GunJack]

Jun 9, 2015 11:09:11 GMT Matt Gluggles said:

The big problem is that if vaping is banned indoors in Wales "because it looks like smoking" then that sets a terrible precedent.

it's a central part of Drakeford's dogma unfortunately....

[csmith10]

I've just read through some of the comments on this article on the BBC news website and I'm just astounded at the ignorance some people show on the subject of vaping, here are just a couple of trinkets.

"It says on the tin "e-cigarette" so the word cigarette still there, therefore it is bad for your health.
If one is so determent to stop smoking she/he will be able to do without the need for e-cigarette which contains nicotine.
Please be humane to yourself and just stop it - it kills. Thinks"


Well done to Wales for bringing in this ban. If 'e-cigs' are allowed to continue unchecked, it won't be long before people find ways of inserting real cigarettes into the casings (assuming that's not what they're doing already). Good for Wales I say, and the sooner it becomes law in the whole of the UK, the better.

[GunJack]

Jun 9, 2015 11:12:34 GMT gill2009 said:

Good Job GunJack 

hanx gill2009

[JayJ]

It's good to see public health England not supporting the ban due to there being no scientific facts supporting the anti ecig bills. Also cancer research going along with that and pretty much saying saying that something that moves people away from tobacco and the known harm that causes shouldn't be readily criticised without foundation.

I know there are some saying it took years before we realised the harm tobacco does and it could be the same with Ecigs. My argument against that is that scientific research and testing today is vastly superior to back then and results much easier to come by so that argument may apply a little but as a complete argument against, it just doesn't hold water for me. It's all about scaremongering and then the taxing will come.

Jay

[reddragon]

Rather long but my letter to my welsh assembly members today.

I am dismayed at the news this morning that the Welsh Assembly is
planning to ban the use of e cigarettes in public places. Even more
concerning is the fact that you are going against all the scientific
evidence that is available, the opinions of the leading cancer charity,
the anti smoking lobby group and 79% of the participants in your public
consultation on this matter.

I am not advocating that vaping (it is not smoking and shouldn't be
referred to as such) be universally allowed in all premises, it should
be the decision of the individual business. 

This ban will now force non smokers (as that is what vapers are) to
have to vape outside premises where vaping has up to now been
permitted. This puts them back amongst tobacco smokers, this in all
likelihood would see a great number reverting to tobacco smoking, if
they are going to have to smell like a tobacco smoker, they may as well
be one, if they are going to inhale 2nd hand smoke, they may as well
smoke - were these reasons for the smoking ban in the first place,
protecting people from 2nd hand smoke? Your policy appears to be
subjecting more non smokers to this known harm.

The people that have done what public health have been telling them
they should do for years (give up smoking) are now being forced back in
to a smoking environment, Un doing all the health benefits that their
vaping and giving up smoking has done. The health benefits that I may
add, have come at no cost to the Welsh NHS, this is a smoking cessation
aid that people pay for themselves, which saves the NHS time and money.

On the issue of ignoring 79% of the participants in your public
consultation,  can I ask three questions, firstly how much did this
process cost for you to just ignore the results? Secondly what was the
point of consulting the public if you go on to ignore the overwhelming
majority? Thirdly, and more critically, were you always going to ignore
the results as you had a preconceived policy and were just doing the
consultation to appease the public.

As already stated, I am extremely dismayed at today's decision and
would request that you look again at the scientific evidence and make
policies based on this evidence rather than the increasing propaganda
that seems to surround e cigarettes at this time. Legislation and
policy making without evidence engenders distrust in public health
policies and governments in general, this distrust I will certainly be
making clear in my vote in the Welsh Assembly elections next year.

[DiscoDes]

Jun 9, 2015 13:26:09 GMT reddragon said:

Rather long but my letter to my welsh assembly members today.

I am dismayed at the news this morning that the Welsh Assembly is
planning to ban the use of e cigarettes in public places. Even more
concerning is the fact that you are going against all the scientific
evidence that is available, the opinions of the leading cancer charity,
the anti smoking lobby group and 79% of the participants in your public
consultation on this matter.

I am not advocating that vaping (it is not smoking and shouldn't be
referred to as such) be universally allowed in all premises, it should
be the decision of the individual business. 

This ban will now force non smokers (as that is what vapers are) to
have to vape outside premises where vaping has up to now been
permitted. This puts them back amongst tobacco smokers, this in all
likelihood would see a great number reverting to tobacco smoking, if
they are going to have to smell like a tobacco smoker, they may as well
be one, if they are going to inhale 2nd hand smoke, they may as well
smoke - were these reasons for the smoking ban in the first place,
protecting people from 2nd hand smoke? Your policy appears to be
subjecting more non smokers to this known harm.

The people that have done what public health have been telling them
they should do for years (give up smoking) are now being forced back in
to a smoking environment, Un doing all the health benefits that their
vaping and giving up smoking has done. The health benefits that I may
add, have come at no cost to the Welsh NHS, this is a smoking cessation
aid that people pay for themselves, which saves the NHS time and money.

On the issue of ignoring 79% of the participants in your public
consultation,  can I ask three questions, firstly how much did this
process cost for you to just ignore the results? Secondly what was the
point of consulting the public if you go on to ignore the overwhelming
majority? Thirdly, and more critically, were you always going to ignore
the results as you had a preconceived policy and were just doing the
consultation to appease the public.

As already stated, I am extremely dismayed at today's decision and
would request that you look again at the scientific evidence and make
policies based on this evidence rather than the increasing propaganda
that seems to surround e cigarettes at this time. Legislation and
policy making without evidence engenders distrust in public health
policies and governments in general, this distrust I will certainly be
making clear in my vote in the Welsh Assembly elections next year.

Excellent reddragon

[reddragon]

Thank you DiscoDes and nice one GunJack just listened back

[prr]

The positive thing about this was that Nicky Campbell's phone in hour was on the subject with the cancer research findings and a positive piece by a professor of smoking cessation, the uninformed public sounded like dicks and the vapers who rang in were reasoned and reasonable, so all in all not such a bad day!

[gill2009]

Superb reddragon