Seeking urgent custardy help !

[Perpetua]

Jun 28, 2015 22:27:20 GMT larokka said:

PS: is everyone here using CA VC v1 ? my bottle doesnt say v1 or v2, so i figure its v1 ?

PPS: i think its down to A)either my tastebuds are super sensitive to the "evil" components of the CA custard flavor or B) there is something fishy about my flavour concentrate bottles. 
if A) i would wonder tho why my spider sense does not ring when i vape grants stuff, unless all the clone reciepes are wrong and he doesnt use capella VC v1 (im kinda sure they are at least wrong about the DDL).

V2's don't exist in my mixing world larokka.


Grant I can guarantee you, does use Capella's V1 . . . . where his VC differs to the ones you are making & trying - is that they are ' pre-steeped ' before sale. How long for I wouldn't be certain, but I can't help but feel that you aren't maybe giving your custards long enough to steep before you try them.

I have a bottle of one of the ' clone ' recipes here which uses D de L - I made it around 4 months ago, there's absolutely no underlying taste of rubber. I would send you a sample to try, although I've no experience of posting to Germany and how successful sending a single small bottle would likely be.

[wight]

When I use ddl I would only use .5% to 1% as I find it very strong and over powering.

Also I find eliquid steed better in plastic bottles. Glass takes so much longer

[larokka]

Jun 28, 2015 23:19:54 GMT igual said:

Try a mix with 0 ddl and up the vanillin a bit see if that makes any difference your flavour.
Have you tried anyone else's homemade custard mixes?

my blend-3 is without DDL. i have not yet bought vanillin. so my current 3 VC blends are all without it. IF (hopefully) ill sort the rubber taste out, custardy love child with vanillin will be the next blend ill try.
have not yet tried someone elses DIY mixes, i know no *real* custard fan thus my long journey over the canal to you guys

Jun 29, 2015 6:38:42 GMT wight said:

When I use ddl I would only use .5% to 1% as I find it very strong and over powering.

Also I find eliquid steed better in plastic bottles. Glass takes so much longer

yes, other than glass, plastic is pervious to air, so the liquid can breathe. on the other hand plastic contains softener which might or might not evaporate into the liquid, that depends on the type of plastic.
its a gamble

Jun 29, 2015 5:46:16 GMT Perpetua said:

V2's don't exist in my mixing world larokka.


Grant I can guarantee you, does use Capella's V1 . . . . where his VC differs to the ones you are making & trying - is that they are ' pre-steeped ' before sale. How long for I wouldn't be certain, but I can't help but feel that you aren't maybe giving your custards long enough to steep before you try them.

I have a bottle of one of the ' clone ' recipes here which uses D de L - I made it around 4 months ago, there's absolutely no underlying taste of rubber. I would send you a sample to try, although I've no experience of posting to Germany and how successful sending a single small bottle would likely be.

well my first blend is 6 weeks old now. it should at least "work" now or ?

i think a small sample is a great idea. maybe someone could send me a custardy love child sample too. IF your guys VC works for me, i would go ahead and order the flavour concentrates in the same UK store you guys order at.
i would gladly send over the shipping cost for the sampples via paypal beforehand. if we dont use registered airmail the shipping will take 5-10 days but should be affordable.

[igual]

Send me your address in pm, I'm just waiting for some new 10 mil bottles to arrive then I'll send you a couple different custards over to try.

[spacey]

Hi larokka

I too love Grants custard so very very very much! It's the only eliquid I still buy (diy everything else) and I don't know what his magic ingredients are, but no other custard I've tried or made comes close

I still keep mixing my own custards and have had some success - I really do like this one that has no DDL (found on a french forum quite a while ago) and am still playing around with it to get it just right for me.

Cap VC 8% (may sound low, but after a good long steep you would think there's more than 8%)
Cap Butter 1%
Cap Cake Batter 4%
TPA Malted Milk 2%
TPA EM 1%
TPA Sweetner 1% (I have never made it with the sweetner as it's plenty sweet enough without it)

I also add 1% vanillin (because I think it adds extra vanillery yumminess) and 2 drops of saline per 5mls (because it's a habbit I've got into with bakery/desert mixes!)

Like you, I've been wondering if DDL was the reason I wasn't keen on my homemade custards - still not sure though as I have added it in a different custard mix and it seems to work!

Good luck - hope you manage to get a good result soon

[Perpetua]

Jun 29, 2015 10:14:43 GMT larokka said:

 if we dont use registered airmail the shipping will take 5-10 days but should be affordable.

In that case, PM me your address larokka and I'll pop a bottle of the GVC clone I've made in the post to you . . . . with igual's kindness, that ought to give you a couple of home brews to try out.

[mike weaver93]

Perpetua spacey

I dont have Cake batter... could I use Bavarian Cream in spacey 's mix?

Thanks

[Perpetua]

Nothing to stop you mike weaver93, it gets used in quite a number of custardy recipes that I've seen . . . . it might not gunk your coils up quite so quickly either.

I do love Capella's Cake Batter, but find it's a terrific gunker.

[larokka]

Perpetua, Paulo and Igual all offered to send me samples of their custards ! that is absolutely awesome and i am realy really grateful !

if one of you ladys/gentlemen could include a small sample of custardy love child, that would be great.

should any of you ever hit the greater düsseldorf area, you will be invited to a german standard "currywurst/beer"
i will also name the blends after you guys, should the rubber-taste-problem get sorted and all this turns out good in the end. (pictures of prove will be posted here). not that many ppl outside myself ever look into my liquid cupboard, but you know .. reasons

i will also update this thread as soon as the samples arrive and i started trying them. i hate when threads like this end up without conclusion, happens much too often, wont happen here.
so everyone interested will be made aware how this turns out.

greets and thanks from a MUCH too hot western germany ... will get even hotter+HUMID on weekend ... 39degrees celsius ... HALP !!! fortunately i have a lot "on the rocks" juices, so i might survive ...

[Perpetua]

2 Custardy samples now in the postal system to you larokka, although the parcel isn't this huge!

I'm lucky that my Corner Shop has a Post Office Counter which is open for the hours that the shop is. Very useful that is.


Away to water the garden now, a Scorcho day it's been here also.

[larokka]

sweet ! really looking forward to the samples !

i guess this kind of evil heat is what we get for complaining about UK and german weather all the time  

[Perpetua]

Jun 30, 2015 18:33:12 GMT larokka said:

i guess this kind of evil heat is what we get for complaining about UK and german weather all the time  

There's no pleasing us when it comes to weather!

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Jun 28, 2015 18:59:31 GMT larokka said:

current "blend-3" is still in one of my cleaned steeping glasses.

Hmmmm.... please explain these "steeping glasses" and how you are using them and if they are sealed or not?

[larokka]

Jun 30, 2015 20:48:53 GMT Frogster (The Alchemist) said:

Jun 28, 2015 18:59:31 GMT larokka said:

current "blend-3" is still in one of my cleaned steeping glasses.

Hmmmm.... please explain these "steeping glasses" and how you are using them and if they are sealed or not?

hey mate, sure:

i usually store my juices in brown glass bottles with a cap like this guy

i put them in right after mixing.

for VC i use turkish cay glasses for steeping, only filling em to close under half, 50ml per glass, multiple glasses if needed. 


for the last batch i used plastic bottles with cap off, but since im unsure if maybe the plastic is the source of the evil rubber taste, i went back to glass steeping for blend-3.

reasons:
 when browsing the web a while ago on my custardy quest, i found out artificial vanilla flavours usually come dilluted (sp?) into a special alcohol. i figure thats the alcoholic smell you get on all the vanilla flavours, specially the custards. i also figure that alcohol part is evil (taste wise) and needs to leave. woodruff flavours for example have a similar alcohol smell right after mixing and usually come into their own at the 2 weeks mark, alcohol smell leaves, woodruff smell comes. woodruff doesnt need to breathe tho (cap off) its enough to just let them sit. in fact i think most flavours will just leave if you let them breathe for 1-3 weeks, but VC might be different.

back a while when grant sent out unsteeped or half steeped VC, the note he addsto any delivery was slightly different to todays and had a marker to let the VC sit for 7-21 days with cap off.




on top of that it is said (in the web, if you search for it) that vanillin crystals (like the ones that are used for custardy love child) also need a pretty long steep (weeks to months) and some O2 to react to develop full flavour.

so, with my sherlock work done, i did draw the conclusion that VC juices need to breathe while steeping, maybe 1-3 weeks.

[Perpetua]

Jul 1, 2015 10:59:25 GMT larokka said:

so, with my sherlock work done, i did draw the conclusion that VC juices need to breathe while steeping, maybe 1-3 weeks.

Must confess, I prefer to smother mine . . . . . . with love and the cap on larokka.