Seeking urgent custardy help !

[larokka]

hello


i am a vaper from germany comming to you guys since this board seems to have the most custard fans ive found packed in one place.

excuse any bad engrish



i have a custardy problem:

my DIY custard tastes BAD. like : groce, not vapeable, yuk.

its a litte hard to discribe. on the inhale it tastes very chemical, almost like licking a rubber glove.

exhale is okish, aftertaste is vanilla if i can taste it after still shaking from the bad inhale taste.



background:

i vape since 1 year, not a single analog smoke since (from 2 packs a day). got VERY sensitive taste buds and also nose, meanwhile both back in action after the analog smoke mute went away. i vape RBAs, preffered all day atomizer is taifun gt2. doing 1.6-1.8ohm microcoils @ 12w.

i do mix my own juice since almost day 1 of vaping. meanwhile pretty seasoned with everything regarding rebuilding and mixing.



custard blends:

1) 8% CA VC, 7% CA French Vanilla, 1% TPA Dulce de Leeche, 1 drop EM per 10ml

2) 18% CA VC, 6% TPA French Vanilla, 2% TPA Dulce de Leeche, 1 drop EM per 10ml

2) 16% CA VC, 10% CA French Vanilla, 2 drops Em per 10ml

all on 50/50 base with 6mg nic. i mix my own base, so its real 50/50 6mg taken the nic-less pg in the flavours into account.

the french vanilla is not the "deluxe" version, i cant seem to be able to get that anywhere in germany.
i got both TPA and CA FV.



steeping:

1&2 have been steeping 6 and 4 weeks now, cap off for 3-4 weeks, violent shake every 12 hours, no direct sunlight. i keep good care of my juices, im a lover

both have that redish amber color we custard fans lub so much. all blends smell awesome. blend 3 is 2 days old now. i made blend 3 to see if its the DDL thats putting me off but i just tried in a dripper, and it also has the rubber glove taste. i know blend 3 is far from beeing rdy yet.



more background:

i have no rubberglove taste when vaping grants VC. i realize i wont be able to clone it 1:1 since i have no clue how he gets that sweet&spicey taste into it (personally i taste no ammount of DDL in grants btw). id be happy with a 80-90% clone to be honest. or a any DIY custard vape at all.

since i vape 12-15ml of 6mg per day, restocking on grants is MUCH to expensive. ive just ordered another 100ml this friday, 48.78pounds with shipping to germany ... thats almost 70 euros nearing analog smoking price level. thats a nono in the long run.



questions:

so whats going on here ? is it the CA VC i have a problem with ? no rubber glove on grants VC, so maybe its a different flavour brand ?

does anyone else have simmilar problems ?

something is very odd here. i cant believe so many vapers DIG CAVC and i can hardly inhale it. maybe the stuff we get here in germany is wrong ?





im thankful for any help i can get, you guys are my last hope.

[igual]

Must admit your numbers look OK, how are you mixing?
Syringes to mix with?
What are you storing your liquid in?
I'll tag Perpetua as shes the custard queen.

[Deleted]

Only tip I can think of immediately is do not store for 3 to 4 weeks with the cap off.

PG will degrade in the presence of oxygen.

Typical oxidation products are aldehydes, ketones, acids and dioxolanes. A strong odor, higher acidity, higher ultra-violet (UV)-absorption or high color are indicators that a propylene glycol has been not been stored properly and has started to degrade. dowac.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7485

Also, you don't say where your nicotine, pg and vg are from.

There's good and bad out there.

[larokka]

Jun 28, 2015 17:21:10 GMT igual said:

Must admit your numbers look OK, how are you mixing?
Syringes to mix with?
What are you storing your liquid in?
I'll tag Perpetua as shes the custard queen.

i use syringe or measuring glass, depending on quantity.

[larokka]

Jun 28, 2015 17:39:58 GMT kreed said:

Only tip I can think of immediately is do not store for 3 to 4 weeks with the cap off.

PG will degrade in the presence of oxygen.

Typical oxidation products are aldehydes, ketones, acids and dioxolanes. A strong odor, higher acidity, higher ultra-violet (UV)-absorption or high color are indicators that a propylene glycol has been not been stored properly and has started to degrade. dowac.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7485

Also, you don't say where your nicotine, pg and vg are from.

There's good and bad out there.

i tried blend 1&2 regulary, same rubber glove from start to now. blend 3 is only 2 days old, so not too much oxygen as well, rubber glove.

my bases are from a german vendor "my-eliquid.de" i buy there since a year. always getting 1l bottles. from the recent bottles i made a good half dozen other juices, no taste problems here. i think its save to say the bases are clean.

[sydsut]

Were the bottles you filled new or re-used and so may have been contaminated?

[larokka]

bottles were new. current "blend-3" is still in one of my cleaned steeping glasses. i didnt bottle it yet just to rule that one out since i was also thinking about the bottles. but that is not it.

i think we can rule out equipment problems since i use the same processes for all juices i make and never had problem sso far.

it has to be something with the flavours. either generally (i might respond bad to acetoin? but why not to grants juice?), or this special charge ?

thats why i am here, trying to isolate the problem. i might even go ahead an order all the flavours from a UK store. maybe some place where everyone else here orders. but currently i am somewhat shy to spend more money if i dont know the source of it all.

[Perpetua]

Jun 28, 2015 17:02:01 GMT larokka said:

i am a vaper from germany comming to you guys since this board seems to have the most custard fans ive found packed in one place.

I really, really love that description of us larokka, fantastic!

Welcome to you.

Dulce de Leche can give that ' rubbery ' taste that you describe - perhaps you're particularly sensitive to it?

These are the 2 recipes I use:






Capella Vanilla Custard 18%
Dulche de Leche 2%
French Vanilla Deluxe 4%
Sweetener 1%

Although my next custard mixing session I'm going to try for a change:

Capella VC 18%
Capella Sweet Cream 2%
French Vanilla Deluxe 4%
Sweetener 1%
Perhaps some Vanillin - haven't made my mind up yet.

As a sweetener I prefer a Sucralose based one - EM never did anything for my tastes . . . . neither do I bother with the caps off/shaking business. Mix and tuck away is all I do.

Whether any of that helps you, I don't know.

[larokka]

hehe thank you for the welcome. ive been reading here quite a bit (sure i didnt find all custard threads yet tho, welcome any pointers) and yes, custardy love child was to be next on my list. i was shy of the high 25% vc and also the 1% sweetener, since i usually use EM drop wise, but would now try it if i get the rubber taste sorted out.
even found a german vendor who sells TPA sucralose based sweetener to try that out and who also has vanillin 10%.
EM usually works well for me. it is THE goto sweetener/flavour enhancer for starwberry based flavours btw, also strongly used in the food industry.

BUT of course all that is subject to fail til i sort the main problem.

like i wrote, my blend-3 is DDL free as a test. but its not ready yet.

out of interest: if you guys try your custards after a very short steep, lets say only a day or two. how does it taste for you ? is it gross or just not very rich/creamy yet ?
trying to figure out if my steeping is wrong. on the other hand my blend-1 is 6 weeks now and the rubber taste is somewhat less then it was after 1 week, but still very present.

[qsplan]

Welcome on board!!!

That horrible, weired taste you got it only in your Custardy mixes or in any e-liquid you try? In case it's the same no matter what you vape, take a look to your wire or cotton/wick...

[Perpetua]

Jun 28, 2015 20:15:01 GMT larokka said:

out of interest: if you guys try your custards after a very short steep, lets say only a day or two. how does it taste for you ? is it gross or just not very rich/creamy yet ?
trying to figure out if my steeping is wrong. on the other hand my blend-1 is 6 weeks now and the rubber taste is somewhat less then it was after 1 week, but still very present.

I don't ever try any custard based mixes for at least a couple of months larokka, they're still far too ' raw ' at that stage for me.

Jun 28, 2015 20:15:01 GMT larokka said:

and yes, custardy love child was to be next on my list. i was shy of the high 25% vc

You can always cut the VC percentage back if you think it might be more to your liking.

[igual]

For a known recipe I always leave to steep for minimum 6 weeks, if its a recipe I'm developing I'll taste at 1 week intervals to see how the flavour profile changes.
That way if its going wrong or packing I can add to it etc.
The only other thing is maybe your concentrates are dodgy?
Is it a known and trusted vendor you got them from?

[sleedale]

larokka I am no expert but when I first made custardy love child for the first time I followed the recipe exactly, managed to leave it to steep for over a month (not really long enough) but it was just delicious. So now I just follow the recipe each time I make it. 25% VC isn't too much, but I suppose you could make three little bottles of perhaps 25/20/15% VC.
Hope you find out the problems and make lovely custard.

[larokka]

Jun 28, 2015 20:29:44 GMT Perpetua said:

Jun 28, 2015 20:15:01 GMT larokka said:

out of interest: if you guys try your custards after a very short steep, lets say only a day or two. how does it taste for you ? is it gross or just not very rich/creamy yet ?
trying to figure out if my steeping is wrong. on the other hand my blend-1 is 6 weeks now and the rubber taste is somewhat less then it was after 1 week, but still very present.

I don't ever try any custard based mixes for at least a couple of months larokka, they're still far too ' raw ' at that stage for me.

Jun 28, 2015 20:15:01 GMT larokka said:

and yes, custardy love child was to be next on my list. i was shy of the high 25% vc

You can always cut the VC percentage back if you think it might be more to your liking.

well id give a 25% batch a go, not a problem. but i do need to sort the rubber taste out beforehand.

Jun 28, 2015 20:20:15 GMT qsplan said:

Welcome on board!!!

That horrible, weired taste you got it only in your Custardy mixes or in any e-liquid you try? In case it's the same no matter what you vape, take a look to your wire or cotton/wick...

its only with my selfmade VC. grants VC for example i dont have any problems with nor with any other juices.
i change my cotton every day and dryburn/watershock my wire, since i like a clean taste and im very sensitive to "crap" on the wire.

Jun 28, 2015 20:39:45 GMT igual said:

For a known recipe I always leave to steep for minimum 6 weeks, if its a recipe I'm developing I'll taste at 1 week intervals to see how the flavour profile changes.
That way if its going wrong or packing I can add to it etc.
The only other thing is maybe your concentrates are dodgy?
Is it a known and trusted vendor you got them from?

the concentrates are from a known vendor (dampfdorado.de). they come in the original, sealed capella 13ml bottles.
of course its posible they have been exposed to heat and/or sunlight, or are old or have in some way be contaminated. the pure smell of the concentrate is very nice vanillish, hints of caramel but also a little acoholish. the colour of the concentrate seems ok too, bright strawish yellow. the mixed juice is about the same smell and color and turns darker every day until amber/orange/brownish.



PS: is everyone here using CA VC v1 ? my bottle doesnt say v1 or v2, so i figure its v1 ?

PPS: i think its down to A)either my tastebuds are super sensitive to the "evil" components of the CA custard flavor or B) there is something fishy about my flavour concentrate bottles. 
if A) i would wonder tho why my spider sense does not ring when i vape grants stuff, unless all the clone reciepes are wrong and he doesnt use capella VC v1 (im kinda sure they are at least wrong about the DDL).

[igual]

Try a mix with 0 ddl and up the vanillin a bit see if that makes any difference your flavour.
Have you tried anyone else's homemade custard mixes?