Guides & tutorial on temperature control needed

[jeffc]

Raffles +1 totally agree with you, way above my comprehension of the TC subject.

Will be picking their brains at Vapefest and hopefully watch them setting up their (or my mods).

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If you find you don't get on with ni200 and temp protection JayJ (some don't) you can still use your usual kanthal builds with it.

[jcol]

Has anyone tried a hybrid Kanthal/Nickel coil?
I twisted some 28awg Kanthal and some 29awg Nickel last night.
7 wraps, 3mm dia. is 0.07 Ohms

Its much easier to work with, the coil is much stiffer, and its quite easy now to rewick it without moving the coils

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Looked into it jcol and a brief try but sussed out a twisted build I like that is quite robust and easy to work with.

In use the kanthal acts as a heat sink as well as making it stiffer, so should work well. Soon you'll be able to use steam engine to make a curve of multi metal coils and upload it into the DNA200

No, I don't know what that means either, but no doubt by this time next year we'll all be doing it.

[sydsut]

Jul 7, 2015 20:50:17 GMT @scooby said:

Looked into it jcol and a brief try but sussed out a twisted build I like that is quite robust and easy to work with.

In use the kanthal acts as a heat sink as well as making it stiffer, so should work well. Soon you'll be able to use steam engine to make a curve of multi metal coils and upload it into the DNA200

No, I don't know what that means either, but no doubt by this time next year we'll all be doing it.

Well who know's that we won't be doing it with ordinary Kanthal or Nichrome a year from now. The development of mods and attie's is becoming faster than PC processors.

[jcol]

I did read something about that iirc, but i dont plan on getting a DNA200 yet so didnt take much notice of it lol.

There is a thread on ECF about hybrid coils and all the details about it, but it went right over my head lol, but from what i did grasp, TC devices read it slightly different than just Nickel and you are supposed to lower the temp a little, but i just go by taste and what tastes good for me.

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We'll be wearing then soon sydsut and 'virtual vaping', the sensation of vaping will be controlled by an app on your phone lol

[mxethey]

Jul 7, 2015 18:57:11 GMT JayJ said:

I've read through this thread as a total noob to temp protection/control and one thing that is jumping out at me is ni200 as a coil material is significantly lower in resistance when compared to kanthal.

I've been thinking about the vt40 myself but is the temp protection/control better suited to sub ohm builds due to the low resistance of ni200? That might seem a silly question but as I stated in the first line I'm a noob to temp reg/con. My current build in my sub tank mini is .37 kanthal 8 wraps 2.5mm inner diameter, heated and squeezed, coming out at around 1.1 ohm's. I'm using this with my red astaire at 16w. Reading this thread I'm thinking the resistance of this same build except with ni200 would be a lot lower resistance ?

Sub homing tends to be done at higher wattages than that which usually suit me. It just feels to hot and harsh. Is this then where the temp pro/reg is going to help me out ?

My humble appologies if this has been covered dozens of times already but I usually need things in idiot proof terms. I also appologies mxethey if you feel I'm hijacking your thread for my own info.

Jay

I'm still reading over and over the posts jay till the penny drops, i think you have a valid point, keep them coming you never know it might all make sense after a couple of pimms cider.

[mxethey]

Jul 7, 2015 19:36:55 GMT JayJ said:

Thank you robby @scooby I'm a bit flipping skint but vaping is my only vice, I don't drink and I obviously don't smoke so I might pull the trigger on the VT40. It will take me a week to decide on the colour though. I'm leaning towards the black but I worry about the finish as I've got the touch a rhinoceros and don't want something that scratches easily.

Jay

Jay iv'e had my black vt40 for about a week and the finish is top class rock solid and as i keep barking on about ( it's tiny )
here it is up against sigelei mini 

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One thing that's not really been touched on mxethey is the info available in Steam Engine and how it can help to build a coil that you like and understand why certain coils behave as they do. Some don't bother/can't be arsed to use it but I found it very useful in finding a build to work at a chosen power, this is important to me as I like to vape at a constant wattage without the TP strangling the power.

Heat flux is something I'd never heard of before ni200 but it is very useful. This is a screen shot of the build in my pic, (it doesn't have ribbon but luckily 0.1mm x 0.5mm has the same resistance as 0.25mm wire). It shows that at 25w I'll get a fairly cool vape, the flame icon changes from blue to red as you increase the power signifying the type of vape to expect. Of course as you increase the power you have to have the airflow/wicking etc to utilise it and prevent TP cutting in.

The box on the right has info on the coil so you can see if the width will fit your atty and compare surface area etc. You can play around with different wire gauge, multi strand twisted etc and see the effect and differences.

It's also worth clicking 'how it works' as there is some good info in there.

[robby]

Good post @scooby Can you explain in layman`s terms what heat flux is and how it affects vaping? I`ve personally never considered it while making coils/vaping etc.

[hijack]

Steam engine..... Always been a good source of info and pretty accurate as well.

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Jul 8, 2015 8:38:25 GMT robby said:

Good post @scooby Can you explain in layman`s terms what heat flux is and how it affects vaping? I`ve personally never considered it while making coils/vaping etc.

Best I direct you to WiKiVapia for a good explanation robby and it finishes up with this statement:

'To sum this up heat flux is more important in determining a quality vape than the resistance or power of your build. The resistance and power is great for working out the electronic side of things but we're turning that electrical energy into heat energy and it is the heat that determines wether you have a pleasurable experience or not. It's time to start thinking in terms of mW/mm² rather than just wattage.' 

[robby]

Jul 8, 2015 11:26:24 GMT @scooby said:

Jul 8, 2015 8:38:25 GMT robby said:

Good post @scooby Can you explain in layman`s terms what heat flux is and how it affects vaping? I`ve personally never considered it while making coils/vaping etc.

Best I direct you to WiKiVapia for a good explanation robby and it finishes up with this statement:

'To sum this up heat flux is more important in determining a quality vape than the resistance or power of your build. The resistance and power is great for working out the electronic side of things but we're turning that electrical energy into heat energy and it is the heat that determines wether you have a pleasurable experience or not. It's time to start thinking in terms of mW/mm² rather than just wattage.' 

That link is an excellent explanation @scooby, all the required info with very little fluff, great reading

[letsavit]

Jul 8, 2015 11:26:24 GMT @scooby said:

Jul 8, 2015 8:38:25 GMT robby said:

Good post @scooby Can you explain in layman`s terms what heat flux is and how it affects vaping? I`ve personally never considered it while making coils/vaping etc.

Best I direct you to WiKiVapia for a good explanation robby and it finishes up with this statement:

'To sum this up heat flux is more important in determining a quality vape than the resistance or power of your build. The resistance and power is great for working out the electronic side of things but we're turning that electrical energy into heat energy and it is the heat that determines wether you have a pleasurable experience or not. It's time to start thinking in terms of mW/mm² rather than just wattage.' 

heat which is measured in temperature, if only they would bring out a device that could control it....