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Post by tim on Jul 20, 2015 23:22:17 GMT
Ok, I got a Joytech eVic VT and tried the temperature control with the supplied coils on the supplied eGo one mega. They are, apparently, cr*p. So I thought, sod it, I'll order some CLR (rebuildable) coils (oos). So instead, I just filled it and tried to burn the wick. It won't burn. Turned up the watts and temp to max and it won't burn. (Not an awful vape either.) Put in the other coil (dry) and hit the power switch to see. No burn. All I did was follow the instructions. It is my opinion that all these TC devices from different manufacturers vary, and if you follow their instructions, it will work as stated. I acknowledge that there have been a few that are suspect in their claims, but it seems that mostly the differences between them cause the issues. Also, every now and then you will be sold a "lemon", ie a duff one. It happens with all manufactured goods. I've not done a cotton test, I don't need to, as if it doesn't burn a dry wick, that'll do for me. The whole idea of TC is to get the right temp for the juice, and avoid a burnt wick if you accidentally run out of juice without noticing. If you get dry hits, you are doing something wrong with wicking/airflow in the first place. But temp control should also help that. All you have to do, if you want to try Temperature Control, is read the instructions. Don't always rely on what others say. The Joytech eVic VT has been trashed by loads of people, but I can't make it burn a wick. Rant over
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Post by VapingBad on Jul 20, 2015 23:36:49 GMT
Well said tim if you get one. Yep the devices vary and that makes well meaning advise inappropriate sometimes. The discussion on these types of mods usually gets dragged into more detail than most people want and it can get confusing. I would add if you are only intending to use pre built coils ignore all the stuff about rebuilding where most of the discussion & confusion comes from. Just set the wattage to what you normally use with that tank and if your interested adjust the temp down until you go past your favourite setting then go back to that.
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Post by robby on Jul 21, 2015 9:52:00 GMT
I haven`t got the Evic VT, but I have 8 other TC mods and they all burn/char cotton at the approx temp (around 500F). Does the Evic TC have Purity control? . A review for the SMOK Xcube2 I saw didn`t burn cotton but when the right purity setting was put in it was okay. I am expecting one of those for review in the next couple of weeks. I hope it is better than the M80Plus from Smok which burnt cotton at all sorts of temperatures I am assuming the dry test you did was with a cotton wick. EDIT ................... The importance of the cotton test is not so much to tell you what temp it charred at, but to give you a reference point at which you can start to find flavour etc, if you dont have that reference point, you dont have a starting point.
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Post by robby on Jul 21, 2015 10:42:54 GMT
SMOK`s new video of the SMOK X CUBE II 160W. Near the end of the vid (which is generally very good) they have burn tests for 400, 500, and 600F. They say that they do it differently, but 600F is 600F lol. If it doesn`t char or discolour the cotton between 450 and 500F(which it has been laboritory proved to do) to my way of thinking, the coil is not at the displayed limiting point. At 600F it has to char badly at least.
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Post by letsavit on Jul 21, 2015 13:37:41 GMT
If it's working for you then yes it's working....
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Post by tim on Jul 21, 2015 19:47:36 GMT
I haven`t got the Evic VT, but I have 8 other TC mods and they all burn/char cotton at the approx temp (around 500F). Does the Evic TC have Purity control? . A review for the SMOK Xcube2 I saw didn`t burn cotton but when the right purity setting was put in it was okay. I am expecting one of those for review in the next couple of weeks. I hope it is better than the M80Plus from Smok which burnt cotton at all sorts of temperatures I am assuming the dry test you did was with a cotton wick. EDIT ................... The importance of the cotton test is not so much to tell you what temp it charred at, but to give you a reference point at which you can start to find flavour etc, if you dont have that reference point, you dont have a starting point. I used the pre-made coil that came with it robby. It was dry though.
I couldn't get it to burn, so I have no starting point.
I understand the importance of the cotton test in evaluation, but I think it may be discouraging people from trying a new tech. Too much technical detail puts off a lot of people. Especially when you can make any wick burn if you use extreme temp and watts. IMO, this type of device is the way forward. It eliminates the dry hit/burnt wick issue, whilst bringing the ability to control the temp required for different flavoured or different pg/vg ratio juices.
I'd like every vaper to enjoy the experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 19:53:36 GMT
Fact is..... robby is right. The burning point for cotton is 410F .........google it. If that mod is not at least scorching the cotton above that it is not getting to those temperatures.
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Post by tim on Jul 21, 2015 20:15:25 GMT
Fact is..... robby is right. The burning point for cotton is 410F .........google it. If that mod is not at least scorching the cotton above that it is not getting to those temperatures. It might be the burning point of dry cotton, with no airflow (cooling), but both of those will change what you use. Make (and keep) it wet and cool it with airflow and you can do what you want. Within reason. I tried to burn a dry wick with airflow at 600F. (I just sucked on a dry tank.) It didn't burn. Add juice and you could probably vape higher. But the juice would taste awful I presume.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:22:35 GMT
That test was with dry cotton.....so at 500F.....or 600F......the cotton should be blackened.
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Post by tim on Jul 21, 2015 20:24:00 GMT
That test was with dry cotton.....so at 500F.....or 600F......the cotton should be blackened. Yes. It will burn. But not with the juice and airflow .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:26:19 GMT
And it didn't burn in the video. We all pretty much know wet cotton wont burn tim. The question mark is over the mod that says it's at 600F.......and doesn't singe cotton.
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Post by Greg on Jul 21, 2015 20:29:32 GMT
If you keep it wet and have the right airflow there's no need for TC to be fair. I thinks it's a bit of a gimmick rather than a game changer and the fad will pass in time. I'm sure there'll be something else along shortly though that will be the next best thing to rave about
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Post by VapingBad on Jul 21, 2015 20:33:11 GMT
An important thing with cotton testing is being consistent with the time the fire button is held on, the only you can compare one persons tests with another's is if they are pressing the button for the same length of time. IMO 10 seconds is good length of time and easy to do from the second hand on your watch. There is no point doing it with anything but a dry coil in still air on a room temp atomiser as it is only good for comparing temperature sensitivity and not vape quality. Also the power has to be high enough to quickly trigger the temp limit which shouldn't be a problem with a dry coil.
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Post by tim on Jul 21, 2015 20:35:53 GMT
And it didn't burn in the video. We all pretty much know wet cotton wont burn tim. The question mark is over the mod that says it's at 600F.......and doesn't singe cotton. This is what I'm trying to say kreed We don't all know. So, you (and others) saying that it burns cotton at x degrees F/C puts people off. It works as stated. It is not foolproof, but I would rather send someone on this route than try to teach the dangers of mech's. It is the next generation of mod, people need to realise that it is simple to use.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:39:07 GMT
I love low ohm kanthal builds too....but TC is good for a few things. You can set it to not burn juice.......or at least not caramelise the sugars too badly. So that can make some juices taste better.............and coils take longer to get gunked so last longer. Batteries last longer too. In VW/VV mode.......the watts you're at is constant all the time you press the button. IN TC mode it uses the watts to hit the temp you set...........then backs the wattage off just to maintain that temp. Where TC really wins is in tanks which can be a PITA to rebuild if you accidentally put too many watts through them and either kill the coil or burn the wicking so bad you have to redo it anyway. TC isn't a passing fad........and will probably be a requirement if the TPD comes into full effect without amendments. Get on board Greg ........it's here and it's staying
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