Get rich quick - make juice

[reefcat]

I joined a few DIY mixing groups on FB when I returned to vaping a few months ago. Since then I've seen what I consider to be a slightly worrying trend with some new, usually, but not always younger vapers. Here's how it goes when they join the group.

Week 1 - Hi just started vaping and wanting to get into mixing my own, because I can't afford Cosmic Fogs latest masterpiece. Where can I buy a good starter kit?
Week 2 - What's a good clone recipe for (insert juice of your choice)
Week 3 - Where can I get bulk concentrates & nic from
Week 4 - Who does large quantities of juice bottles cheap
Week 5 - I want 500 waterproof labels and a brilliant design for my new range of juices
Week 6 - My new juice range will blow your mind only £18.00 for 30ml roll up

I have seen something like this almost every day, some are just making up one shot concentrates like T Juice, others are taking clone recipes and selling then on the open market.

I don't have a problem with people selling DIY juice to family & friends, & I'm sure that many take precautions and are mixing some good stuff. I'm equally sure that many are after making a quick buck and will not have followed good practice of cleanliness & contamination control.

I think there's a danger that one of these juice magnates will do some damage to vaping one day.

Am I overly sensitive?

[Jerri]

I've also noticed this.

But the posters seem to get shut down pretty quickly by other members.

There was one today charging £20 plus £4 p&p for 100ml Heisenberg and pink man. Openenly admitted he used concentrates from vampire vape and could t understand why people were falling over themselves to order and were flaming him.

[Pepperty]

If you replicated a well known juice (that didn't have a concentrate) < its a grey area - I'd understand these sort of posts but to just buy a ready made concentrate and sell --- that's absolutely not on!

I'm always a bit leery about DIY mixing on the likes of facebook as you do need a certain amount of basic knowledge before heading in.... after all, undiluted nicotine is dangerous, and I'm often surprised by how stupid some people are    

I don't mean to sound elitist but some sections of the human race are dangerous without being let loose with a known poison   I wouldn't let them near toilet bleach either!

[chykensa]

No, not at all. I've seen very much the same thing happen recently, and have only this afternoon been following a thread showing much the same thing.
Apart from buying up loads of the concentrate, which some of you will remember caused T-Juice to threaten to withdraw all concentrates about a year ago, this is damaging to the genuine online and B&M vendors who have not only overheads but as you say responsibilities to observe H and S and minimum standards of hygiene and safety.

Sure, I make up and sell juice occasionally for my friends, but that's not putting it out there online and charging way more than it costs to make whilst knocking it up in my (clean, but not sterile) kitchen. Friends buy from me on that understanding.

[Pepperty]

as you say chykensa Its not that you are selling, more than covering costs, as some people will take you for a ride otherwise and you aren't a charity! its only fair to ask a reasonable costing return if you are making up for pals and saving them money but using your time and skills

[Deleted]

Agree the usual £££ seems to attract a few trying to make a quick buck... FB is full of it, and personally I wouldn't trust any of them.

[Pepperty]

I'd be very loath to touch anyone elses DIY? (that I didn't know had a clean room) as if I found a hair swimming in my juice....it would at least be my own! I've a dog, his crinkly ginger hairs get in our family food -- probably lurking on my DIY juices! I'm used to it   you get stoical when you have pets (and kids)

[qsplan]

Well...seen the very same thing too many times... and all of us think the same thing, more or less...

Apart of safety terms, both for the wanna-be-professional-Druid and his potential client, it's also an issue regarding hygiene conditions...

I believe, all of us "cooking" for friends and families but we are using it the way we make it for ourselves, in a clean environment, using quality raw materials and most of the times we give it away or at least sell it about 5% more that it's cost...

I guess, the majority of those people, being comets in vaping industry, just looking for 200% profit, probably use cheap raw materials regardless their quality as long at they are so cheap... No clean area, no precautions, nothing that could increase their functional cost and if we are lucky that they have victims as customers, they might make an investment both in raw materials and premises...

I had a bad experience with someone from Asia, that wanted to enter the Greek market, so apart of my order he also sent me samples for the shops... Well, when I received the package, it had a huge leak... More than 25% of what I ordered was in the envelope... Labels went off, a total disaster and in one of his replies, he said that it's in his plans to have a bottling machine when he will make more money by selling e-juices...

In general, the state approach of the vaping thing, is kinda funny... No control or e-liquid industry at all (especially in Greece)... All they care about is tax things and that's it... No intention to protect citizens by forcing e-liquid industry make tests and analyses...

Personally I do not care if someone is eligible to sell something with 0, 9 or 18mg of nic levels but I wanna know if he is selling his pee-juice as an e-liquid...

[lisburnvapes]

No wonder people want to regulate vaping, this sort of thing gives vapers a bad image, when I was a smoker I would not even consider buying roll ups off a stranger, why would people do a similar thing with juice, my mind boggles

[smifee]

2 months ago I had a load of stuff to get rid of as I was selling my motorhome. Then found lots more junk recyclable items. So went to a car boot sale.

I took a dozen of my homemade juices, new iSticks, new Nautilus Minis etc.

A few people tried some and as usual liked some & didn't like others. A couple of orders first week. Then I sold a few iSticks & Nauties as upgrades the next week. Now I'm getting smokers who have watched & listened to my spiel buying kits & juices. Juice customers are coming back each week and bringing their vaper friends.

One week a guy turned the tables on me and said "Try this.". It was Vampire Vapes Black Jack and he was paying £7 for 10ml. He asked if I could make it. When I found they sell the concentrate I ordered some. A few others jumped into the basket as well.

I mixed Heisenberg and I hate it. Angie can't put the smelly stuff down. I took some to the boot sale & the crowd went wild.

I sell 30ml for £5. I worked out the cost of the mixes with the most expensive concentrates. 30 ml costs £3.88 to make. The bottles I use cost 46 pence each. It was too much trouble to work out the cost of the label tape cartridges.

I give loads of stuff away, make coils for free, exchange used stock heads for rewickable ones, give rewicking & coiling demos.

With the £10 fee to sell there I reckon I break even most weeks with an occasional slight profit or loss BUT the banter, laughs and getting some smokers to try vaping makes it the highlight of my week and worth it. Only downside is having to get up at sparrow's fart every Sunday.

[Deleted]

Absolutely applaud all of that smifee

You're spreading the word and converting smokers to vapers!

Crack on

[Deleted]

[tim]

Aug 19, 2015 16:42:23 GMT Pepperty said:

If you replicated a well known juice (that didn't have a concentrate) < its a grey area - I'd understand these sort of posts but to just buy a ready made concentrate and sell --- that's absolutely not on!

I'm always a bit leery about DIY mixing on the likes of facebook as you do need a certain amount of basic knowledge before heading in.... after all, undiluted nicotine is dangerous, and I'm often surprised by how stupid some people are    

I don't mean to sound elitist but some sections of the human race are dangerous without being let loose with a known poison   I wouldn't let them near toilet bleach either!

“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”  Douglas Adams

A quote that you might like Pepperty

[beedee]

I don't think you are being over sensitive @reefcat. This is really annoying. I suppose there are some benefits in unregulated markets, lots of ideas, lots of smaller producers, but the quick buck makers are always around. I live near a market where there is a stall selling Vaping stuff, Some attys, batteries, liquid etc. I talked to the guy tending the stall and it was clear he knew nothing about the products and just wanted to sell me anything he could for as high a price as possible. Mind you, never seen ANYONE buying from that stall. Hopefully the people you talk of will get the same treatment ...

[Chrissie]

I also don't think you are being over sensitive reefcat. Apart from anything else, these get rich quick folks are breaking the law as I doubt very much they are Consumer Contract regualtions compliant & I bet they also don't declare the income to HMRC.

Aug 19, 2015 19:08:57 GMT @tubthumper said:

Lol, that reminds me so much of someone on UKV a few years back. As a newbie, she didn't have a clue about anything & asked the daftest questions. A few weeks later she was making & selling her own e-liquid