How to deal with problems syringing stuff out of 1L bottles

[doveman]

As my 1L bottles of VG/PG/Nicotine started to deplete, I was faced with the problem that a) my syringes couldn't reach the liquids and b) it was too difficult syringing the VG through the needles i have.

So I had a look in Wilkinsons and found these 100ml tubs for £1 which are ideal. Now I just decant my base ingredients into three of these and I can syringe them up without needing to use a needle at all. It also means I don't have to open the large bottles (exposing them to the air and risking spillages) every time I need to mix up some juices. The lids are locked on with four clips, so there's no pushing the lid on and pulling it off, which risks sending everything flying. They seem like they seal pretty well but they're meant for storing food, not liquids so I wouldn't recommended turning them upside down and shaking them to see if they leak (no I didn't try that myself, I'm curious not stupid) 

www.wilko.com/food-boxes+containers/wilko-food-storer-230ml/invt/0318312

[tomj777]

Decanting into smaller bottles makes a lot of sense (esp for Nic base).

However, you might want to consider investing in a few Bryan's Drawing Needles.
They are invaluable to me.
www.leisureliquids.com/Mixing-Accessories/syringes-needles/bryans-drawing-needle

[TJ]

Am I the only one that just pours out my bases into cups and syringes out of there? Just bought some small plastic throw away medicine dosing cups, sit the cups in front of the bottles on a tissue, decant PG/VG & Nic into them, use for the mixing session, chuck what's left back into the bottles and bin the plastic cups, job done, no washing them up as they are so cheap and I am a cheapskate

I've never had a problem syringing any of my bases either and I don't use needles, the thickest VG still sucks straight up into a 1ml syringe no problem and I am precise most of the time unless of course I pick up a 10ml syringe (instead of 5ml) for my VG and decant it into the bottle, add rest of ingredients, shake then wonder why my supposed 10ml tester looks a little full

[Perpetua]

Nov 9, 2015 8:23:44 GMT TJ said:

Am I the only one that just pours out my bases into cups and syringes out of there? Just bought some small plastic throw away medicine dosing cups, sit the cups in front of the bottles on a tissue, decant PG/VG & Nic into them, use for the mixing session, chuck what's left back into the bottles

Nope . . . it's what I've always done and suggest doing - faff free for me.

Although Nic Base I always decant into smaller Amber glass bottles, the majority of mine live in the freezer, so the smaller volumes are more manageable to handle rather than defrosting/refreezing a larger bottle all the time.

Never used a needle in 5 years of mixing either.

I guess it's what suits the individual as in all things . . . . .

[goofy]

Nov 9, 2015 8:23:44 GMT TJ said:

Am I the only one that just pours out my bases into cups and syringes out of there?

I do the same

[Bobsbeer]

Nov 9, 2015 8:12:53 GMT tomj777 said:

Decanting into smaller bottles makes a lot of sense (esp for Nic base).

However, you might want to consider investing in a few Bryan's Drawing Needles.
They are invaluable to me.
www.leisureliquids.com/Mixing-Accessories/syringes-needles/bryans-drawing-needle

I must give one of these a try.  I do use a needle for flavour, nic and pg, but usually measure the vg into a marked beaker, as even without a needle I find vg a bugger to draw into a syringe.

[phatfil]

aquarium air hose, or hydroponics drip feed tubes depending if the garden centre or the fish shop is closest

chop a length of tube an inch or 2 taller than your liquid source bottle drop it in the bottle and friction fit a syringe to the thin tube to suck up the liquid..

[VapingBad]

Nov 9, 2015 10:16:58 GMT Perpetua said:

Nov 9, 2015 8:23:44 GMT TJ said:

Am I the only one that just pours out my bases into cups and syringes out of there? Just bought some small plastic throw away medicine dosing cups, sit the cups in front of the bottles on a tissue, decant PG/VG & Nic into them, use for the mixing session, chuck what's left back into the bottles

Nope . . . it's what I've always done and suggest doing - faff free for me.

Although Nic Base I always decant into smaller Amber glass bottles, the majority of mine live in the freezer, so the smaller volumes are more manageable to handle rather than defrosting/refreezing a larger bottle all the time.

Never used a needle in 5 years of mixing either.

I guess it's what suits the individual as in all things . . . . .

Disposable plastic shot glasses from supermarkets are excellent for this and very cheap, also great for keeping the bits together when stripping down and rebuilding atties and mods.

[doveman]

Nov 9, 2015 8:12:53 GMT tomj777 said:

Decanting into smaller bottles makes a lot of sense (esp for Nic base).

However, you might want to consider investing in a few Bryan's Drawing Needles.
They are invaluable to me.
www.leisureliquids.com/Mixing-Accessories/syringes-needles/bryans-drawing-needle

They look useful, I'll have to get some.

As others have said, there's different ways to going about this and I did originally buy some cheap disposable shot glasses but there's always a risk with pouring from the large bottles into shot glasses that you might knock them over or spill some liquid whilst pouring it. The tubs I'm using can't tip over and you'd have to be very clumsy to spill anything outside them whilst pouring, as they're so much wider than a shot glass. Plus I can fill up the tubs and not have to touch the 1L bottles for a few sessions. So it all helps to minimise any chance of accidents and works for me

I guess I could use the shot glasses to decant the flavours into so that I could syringe them without a needle as I find it a bit fiddly trying to hold the bottle and syringe whilst pulling the plunger. Using a shot glass comes with the risk of knocking it over though and I'd also have to syringe the leftovers back into the bottle when I'd finished as I wouldn't be able to just pour them back.

[phatfil]

Nov 10, 2015 3:02:26 GMT doveman said:

Nov 9, 2015 8:12:53 GMT tomj777 said:

Decanting into smaller bottles makes a lot of sense (esp for Nic base).

However, you might want to consider investing in a few Bryan's Drawing Needles.
They are invaluable to me.
www.leisureliquids.com/Mixing-Accessories/syringes-needles/bryans-drawing-needle

They look useful, I'll have to get some.

As others have said, there's different ways to going about this and I did originally buy some cheap disposable shot glasses but there's always a risk with pouring from the large bottles into shot glasses that you might knock them over or spill some liquid whilst pouring it. The tubs I'm using can't tip over and you'd have to be very clumsy to spill anything outside them whilst pouring, as they're so much wider than a shot glass. Plus I can fill up the tubs and not have to touch the 1L bottles for a few sessions. So it all helps to minimise any chance of accidents and works for me

I guess I could use the shot glasses to decant the flavours into so that I could syringe them without a needle as I find it a bit fiddly trying to hold the bottle and syringe whilst pulling the plunger. Using a shot glass comes with the risk of knocking it over though and I'd also have to syringe the leftovers back into the bottle when I'd finished as I wouldn't be able to just pour them back.

blutack small flavour bottles down if nervous about spilling while drawing off a measure,
 5m of fish tank airline hose for less than 4 x drawing needles, which is enough to cut over 40 lengths the same length as a drawing needle, and while not sterile, if its safe for fish keeping its pretty damn inert as fish will die just looking thru the glass at something toxic..  www.amazon.co.uk/METRE-AQUARIUM-LINE-Fish-Airline/dp/B003ZII5TC

[doveman]

Nov 9, 2015 8:23:44 GMT TJ said:

Am I the only one that just pours out my bases into cups and syringes out of there? Just bought some small plastic throw away medicine dosing cups, sit the cups in front of the bottles on a tissue, decant PG/VG & Nic into them, use for the mixing session, chuck what's left back into the bottles and bin the plastic cups, job done, no washing them up as they are so cheap and I am a cheapskate

I've never had a problem syringing any of my bases either and I don't use needles, the thickest VG still sucks straight up into a 1ml syringe no problem and I am precise most of the time unless of course I pick up a 10ml syringe (instead of 5ml) for my VG and decant it into the bottle, add rest of ingredients, shake then wonder why my supposed 10ml tester looks a little full

That's not as bad as when I forgot to press Calculate and started to syringe about 10 times as much flavour into a 30ml bottle that was almost full and only realised my mistake once it starting spilling over onto the counter

As for syringing VG, I don't really find that a problem without needles (which I don't need to use once I've decanted it into the tub) but I only tend to use the 10ml syringe for that as my 30ml 50/50 mixtures need about 13.5ml. Don't think I've tried with a 1ml but the hole is probably wide enough for it not to be a problem with that either, it's just the needles with their narrow openings that cause problems.

I find it very quick using the tubs, as I can syringe up the VG and squeeze it into a 30ml bottle, then repeat for another 5, then do the same with the PG and the nicotine before putting them away and doing the flavours, which takes the most time. With shot glasses I'd either have to decant enough of the base ingredients into shot glasses to do six 30ml bottles, or keep refilling the same shot glass as I went along, both of which seem more fiddly and prone to accidents than using the tubs.

[doveman]

Nov 10, 2015 3:17:59 GMT phatfil said:

blutack small flavour bottles down if nervous about spilling while drawing off a measure,
 5m of fish tank airline hose for less than 4 x drawing needles, which is enough to cut over 40 lengths the same length as a drawing needle, and while not sterile, if its safe for fish keeping its pretty damn inert as fish will die just looking thru the glass at something toxic..  www.amazon.co.uk/METRE-AQUARIUM-LINE-Fish-Airline/dp/B003ZII5TC

Sticking down the flavour bottles sounds like a good idea, I'll have to try that and see how long it takes me to stick them down properly.

I don't really need any drawing needles or tubing now that I'm using the tubs but at that price I might as well buy some and try and find a use for it

[thatguy]

For vg/pg/nic base I use 100ml bottles I have from early vaping days (bought a few 100ml hangsen bottles from fasttech). The wide neck and small size makes them easy to use with syringes without needles.

For mixing larger batches of juice, I use boots 200ml VG bottles.

50ml bottles are really useful for mixing as well, as many concentrates end up mixed at 20%. This lets you add a full 10ml concentrate bottle, measure your nic to suit and top up with pg.vg. or a preferred mix of the two. This lets me mix 50 ml while only actively measuring the nic base.