re. e-cigs on prescription

[robby]

BAT products have probably killed millions of people before and after they knew cigarettes caused lung cancer, it`s just so bloody crazy.

[ceedee]

Dec 7, 2015 23:02:39 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Don't get me wrong Richard46 I'm no fan of BT, or their brand of e cig. I fear you are missing the point I'm making though. My point is more the longer term than the initial products coming on stream via MHRA, which I'm sure will be crap. This isn't about the product but the principle that is being set. Vaping is good. Vaping should be encouraged. Vaping should be allowed. Doctors are being encouraged and can prescribe it. In the public's eyes that is tacit approval. It makes it harder to ban all types of vaping equipment, when vaping is allowed if you use a certain e cig. Let's face it, to non vapers, an e cig is an e cig. They don't know the difference between a Vype or a Kanger. To them they are e cigs, and up until now, both are just as bad as the other. So I do think this is a very important step in the right direction. Not the end by any means, but at least we are going in the right direction. There is a very long way to go with this, but this one is 15 love to vapers, not BT.

The message will be: "vaping is good as long as you use an approved and regulated device that's been proved to be safe."

It doesn't matter whether this makes it harder to ban other devices as they're going to be banned anyway!
The regulations that bring the TPD into force are just awaiting a signature - there doesn't even need to be a vote in parliament.

[Deleted]

Until some entrepreneur finds an 'old' circa 2015 PDF on how to make a good e-cig 'crowd funds' (or equivalent) to pass the MHRA and EU and brings it to mass market

I think this has been a good and balanced discussion and I'm well prepared for the TPD. Forewarned is forearmed

and when you think of the cost of 'cigalikes' when Chrissie started (about £60 or more for a few prefills and if, you were lucky - 2 small batteries and charger) which pushed them way out of most smokers budget - to now £1 a disposable - you really can't grumble

sydsut has a point - I saw, I vaped, I concurred

[nanotm]

the evoke is listed here on the mhra website

and here is more from the NHS that was updated this year www.nhs.uk/news/2013/06June/Pages/e-cigarettes-and-vaping.aspx which has info and links to various studies as well as evidence based advice about the fact e-cigs are a lot better for you than standard tobacco products.....

some parts of the TPD whilst annoying are a good idea other parts are just pure stupidity, nic containing liquids being limited to 20mg @10ml makes sense from a child protection issue but limiting sizes for nic free doesn't make any sense, banning the sale of tanks that can leak doesn't make sense, limiting the size of tanks to 2ml or under also doesn't make sense, unless your allowing sales of nic base @72mg to continue.....

banning any e-cig advertising and designating them as a type of tobacco product makes no sense (only nic e-juice should be under that definition if any part of it should be)

allowing people choice is a good thing, handing out advice leaflets to smokers would also be a good thing, the evoke unit being made available on prescription is a bad thing, regulating the stuff that can be used in e-juice is a good thing (no more popcorn lungs or metal dust for colourings....) but lets be honest here this isn't a safe habit its just less dangerous than smoking.

the evoke unit is listed as a single regulated strength dose which is just as bad as the £100 over prescribed nicotine replacement packs given out like candy at the stop smoking clinics because only 1 in 10 will actually require that dose rate .... the rest will require stronger or weaker or get instant headaches or palpitations or other side effects just like the more expensive NRT packs give you something you can tailor with a x number of fags formula = nic strength juice to use you can do with refillable units ....

if the NHS prescribed something like the evod battery kit with a ce4 head people would upgrade to mods and tanks within a month and just keep getting their personal strength juice off the prescription (or move to cheap suppliers like liquid), the prescription announcement isn't a step in the right direction its just a new Nicorette inhaler with some lights and a cheaper price tag ......

[maytwin]

For years the "antis" having been banging on about not allowing vaping "because it looks like smoking". Most of us I'm sure vape on a device that looks nothing like a cigarette, yet the very thing that has been licensed looks like, well, a cigarette

[doyouwannit]

A good question is how much is BAT going to screw out of the NHS for this device, and believe me it will be around 80-100 a month, maybe even more. Let's be mindful it isn't the NHS's money it's our's. Let us also be mindful that they are addicted to the revenue that smoking generates, some, variously estimated, at 6 to 8 billion pounds per annum to the exchequer, NET. That's NET! after factoring in the treatment of often erroneous effects on a smokers health.

As smoking goes down and vaping goes up the ongoing attempt to demonise vaping will increase, they have to demonise it to justify the tax they are going to raise on it. All for our own good you understand.
The bottom line is if you want to stop smoking and you can afford to smoke you can afford to vape and them some. The NHS should be recommending vaping not paying for it, at worst it could offer a weeks supply for trial.

In my opinion it won't normalise vaping, it will be transmitted as a medical intervention to cure smokers of their evil habit. it's a further step to de-normalise smoking, when they've done that and it is ongoing they'll be coming after the vapers.

[robby]

Stop hitting me with those negative waves man

[Deleted]

....and remember folks we shouldn't be 'smoking' these things for years!!! -

[nanotm]

Dec 8, 2015 19:37:31 GMT @johanino said:

....and remember folks we shouldn't be 'smoking' these things for years!!! -

surely they should be trying to get us to smoke them for years if for no other reason that to promote the tax income, just because its not hyper taxed like tobacco doesn't mean there's no taxes to be had and the gubmint does need a new mass market steady income stream to compensate for the slack the tobacco sales dip is creating, no doubt next year they will mention e-juice as a specific product taxed at 30% in the budget

[lobeydosser]

Why can't those that rule on prescription anti-smoking products get their own house in order before trying to influence the government on e-cigs?

If you use Nicorette Chewing Gum, you can get it in 4mg bits. You are advised to use up to 15 bits a day.

4mg X 15 = 60mg a day!!!!!

If I vaped 60mg a day my bloody ears would fall off!!!!

[nanotm]

because they are paid massive amounts of cash to not do so.... and paid even more to crush the competition before it reaches critical mass

[redleather]

Dec 6, 2015 14:16:44 GMT lobeydosser said:

As nicotine is also found in Coffee and Tomatoes, I guess would should be able to get these free on prescription as well?

Oh dear. That means that Starbucks and Dobbies are about to go to the wall!
What a shame.

Also in these toooooo -


Eggplant

The food that is richest in nicotine concentration is eggplant. Eggplant contains a nicotine concentration of 100 ng/g. This vegetable is also a very good dietary source of fiber, vitamin B1, vitamin B6 and potassium. According to "The Encyclopedia of Healing Foods" by Michael T. Murray, the health benefits of eggplant consumption are directly linked to the presence of a strong antioxidant called nasunin. Nasunin protects the body against free radical damage, helps rid the body of excess iron and helps lower cholesterol levels.

Green Tomatoes

Green tomatoes also contain dietary nicotine. The nicotine content of green tomatoes is 42.8 ng/g. According to the United States Department of Agriculture, green tomatoes are also a good dietary source of potassium, phosphorus, vitamin C, folate and calcium.


Cauliflower

Cauliflower is another food source of nicotine. The nicotine concentration contained in cauliflower is 16.8 ng/g. According to MyHealthyFoods.com, cauliflower is also an excellent dietary source of vitamin K, vitamin C, folate and fiber. Regular consumption of cauliflower will promote some health benefits such as protection against some forms of cancer, detoxification in the body and protection against rheumatoid arthritis.

Potatoes

Another food that could expose you to nicotine is potatoes. Potatoes contain a nicotine concentration of 7.1 ng/g. According to Ayushveda.com, potatoes are also a very good dietary source of vitamin B6, vitamin A and potassium. The combination of these nutrients make the consumption of baked or boiled potatoes effective prevention against cardiovascular disease. According to the website, people who consume baked or boiled potatoes have a lower risk of heart attack and frequently have lower blood pressure than people who do not consume potatoes.

List Not Exhaustive :-))))))
Red

[nanotm]

peppers and tomatoes apparently have the highest natural concentrations, which is why those who remain sane often consume lots of both /